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UCMA Judging
How the judging works:

6 points for the build itself
4 points for other things (lighting, presentation, techniques, story, or more of the build itself. It's up to each individual judge to what these 4 points go towards.)

Entries (Thanks Gilbert for already doing this in the main group! I'll just add any others that come in here)


Rainosians defending on Land:

Caleb R. http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/369381

That Guy You Saw Earlier http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/369467

Adam Brunsting http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/370390

Sean B. http://mocpages.com/moc.php/371309




Rainosians defending at Sea:

Toa Infernum http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371246

Gilbert Despathens http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371271




Mythronians attacking on Land:

Dylan Something http://mocpages.com/moc.php/370259

Garret A. http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371064

Brick Boy http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/370977




Mythronians attacking Sea:

Chris. (Amphibious) http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/37040

George Marshall http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371355

Andrew the Jedi Ninja http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371058




Nerogues defending the Mainland:

~Swift~ http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/370525

David the Fire Ninja Jedi http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/370959

Ian http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371362



Nerogueians at Sea (fighting Enalicans):

automatic win (the entry here moved onto the battle against Rainos)




Outlaws attacking Mythron Villages/Towns:
McLegofreak http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/370390

The Object of Legend http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/370793

Mr. Cab http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/370885

Zach "Gothambygaslight" L. http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371283

Matt W. http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371086




Outlaws for Mythron (attacking Rainosians):

Freeling http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371364




Outlaws for Rainos (Defending against Mythronians):

Jacob Pennington http://mocpages.com/moc.php/370098

The Lost Epic http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371348



Enalicans:
automatic loss (no entries)


I will edit the following summary as things are judged:

Outcome of the Rainos vs. Mythron battle on land:
- Total number of points
Rainos - ____
Mythorn - ____
Outlaws for Rainos - ____
Outlaws for Mythron - ____


- Quality of builds
Rainos - ____
Mythron - ____
Outlaws for Rainos - ____
Outlaws for Mythron - ____

If Rainos wins one and Mythron wins another then Rainos would win by the number of builds category:
- Number of builds
Rainos - 4
Mythron - 2
Outlaws for Rainos - 2
Outlaws for Mythron - 1




Outcome of the Rainos vs. Mythron sea battle:
- Quality of builds
Rainos - ____
Mythron - ____
Nerogue - ____

- Total points
Rainos - ____
Mythorn - ____
Nerogue - ____

If Rainos wins one and Mythron wins one, then we go to the next category:
- Number of builds
Rainos - 2
Mythron - 3
Nerogue - 1




Nerogueians vs. Outlaws on the Mainland:
- Quality of the builds
Nerogue - ____
Outlaws - ____

- Total points
Nerogue - ____
Outlaws - ____

If Nerogue wins one, and if the Outlaws win one, then we move onto the optional category:
- Number of builds
Nerogue - 3
Outlaws - 4



Nerogueians vs. Enalica Pirates:
automatic win of Nerogueians (no Enalica entry)
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| September 30, 2013, 9:12 pm
 Group admin 
Enalica loses!
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| September 30, 2013, 9:14 pm
 Group admin 
Okay, we have six entries on four in the battle for the Rainosian coast. Brick Boy actually doesn't have a ship battle, so he qualifies for this portion.

Chris . cancels with Sean B. to my eyes, but Chris split between land and sea...
Adam Brunsting had the best Rainosian defense, Caleb R.'s was fairly good, and That Guy's was the w o r s t in the battle. Brick Boy's was okay, a bit better than Dylan's or Garret A.'s. Canceling Brick Boy with Caleb R. because both entries had balanced pros and cons, that leaves Adam Brunsting to deal with Dylan and Garret's with That Guy as backup. I think that works out for Rainos, but if it's close enough for a tie, Jacob Pennington, with an entry that passed Brunsting's, would have turned it solidly over.
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| September 30, 2013, 9:21 pm
 Group admin 
The defense of Mythron wasn't that close of a battle, either. David, your entry was certainly above the challenge average, but so was Zach L.'s. Luke the Swift came close to matching the Object of Legend, but I wouldn't say he would have won in a MOC-off. With Van Cornet's return and a bit of chaos from Mr. Cab, I would give the prize here to the Outlaws... And we haven't even seen Freeling's epic entry yet.
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| September 30, 2013, 9:25 pm
 Group admin 
Ignore the first paragraph.

Finally, even though I really hoped that at least ONE pirate would show up for the sea battles, Enalica failed utterly. That leaves three Rainosian warship-MOCs (all full-scale, although one did incorporate micro-ships) against two microscale Mythronian mixed MOCS from Dylan Something and Chris . as well as Andrew's vignette. I think Andrew would have had the upper hand against Toa Infernum (due to builder's blindness, I won't compare it to my own), but I don't think that the Mythronian effort is worth much mention in this battle of giants. We have yet to see if Night Reaper will make it to the challenge, so I will reserve judgement.

Sea battles again, now that we have been illuminated by Marshall's entry:

I don't think that the micro ships contributed very much to this battle - the capital ships literally and figuratively blew them out of the water. That leaves the contest between Andrew, Infernum, Marshall, myself and, if he makes the deadline, Night Reaper. I'm going to take a risk here in the interest of being a fair judge and say that mine was the most detailed by a hair, even if the story waxed long and it could have used some photo editing. I sincerely hate to say that, but I did put a lot of work into that entry all month long and this contest is too close to let modesty get in the way.
Andrew's comes next, followed closely by Infernum - the two are parted by a hair. That leaves George. I apologize, but there's a clear difference between the SNOT-and-angle-heavy ships of the other three and your rectangular, studs-up main deck scene.

AAAARGH!

What does it mean? Am I biased? Do the micro-ships bump Mythron over the edge? Where is Night Reaper? Someone help me!
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| September 30, 2013, 9:30 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Finally, even though I really hoped that at least ONE pirate would show up for the sea battles, Enalica failed utterly. That leaves three Rainosian warship-MOCs (all full-scale, although one did incorporate micro-ships) against two microscale Mythronian mixed MOCS from Dylan Something and Chris . as well as Andrew's vignette. I think Andrew would have had the upper hand against Toa Infernum (due to builder's blindness, I won't compare it to my own), but I don't think that the Mythronian effort is worth much mention in this battle of giants. We have yet to see if Night Reaper will make it to the challenge, so I will reserve judgement.
Well Andrew isn't up against Toa...he's fighting the Enalicains (according to the challenge description)

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| September 30, 2013, 9:34 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
The defense of Mythron wasn't that close of a battle, either. David, your entry was certainly above the challenge average, but so was Zach L.'s. Luke the Swift came close to matching the Object of Legend, but I wouldn't say he would have won in a MOC-off. With Van Cornet's return and a bit of chaos from Mr. Cab, I would give the prize here to the Outlaws... And we haven't even seen Freeling's epic entry yet.

Yeah...David . wasn't there and neither was Stephen Boe...

Anyway, I set up the first comment nicely that would "prove" the outcomes described.

Summary:
Mythron vs. Rainos sea battle: this one is going to be close with Mythron 3 and Rainos 2, though Rainos most certainly has the quality category won. Total points might be close.

Mythron vs. Rainos on land: Ha! Hands down Rainos wins.

Nerogue vs. Enalica: What battle? Anyway, Nerogue wins because of the one entry (a nice one I might add)

Nerogue vs. Outlaws: Almost certain that the outlaws will win. Nerogue might come out on top for quality, but then total points and then number of builds would surely oust them.
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| September 30, 2013, 9:43 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi

Would you rather waste his talent against nonexistent enemies or group the battles together? That's what would happen if no pirates attacked - The Nerogue ships would meet the Mythronians in the battle with Rainos.
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| September 30, 2013, 9:48 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Yeah...David . wasn't there and neither was Stephen Boe...

Anyway, I set up the first comment nicely that would "prove" the outcomes described.

Summary:
Mythron vs. Rainos sea battle: this one is going to be close with Mythron 3 and Rainos 2, though Rainos most certainly has the quality category won. Total points might be close.

Mythron vs. Rainos on land: Ha! Hands down Rainos wins.

Nerogue vs. Enalica: What battle? Anyway, Nerogue wins because of the one entry (a nice one I might add)

Nerogue vs. Outlaws: Almost certain that the outlaws will win. Nerogue might come out on top for quality, but then total points and then number of builds would surely oust them.

Have you seen Marshall's ship battle yet? Since Night Reaper hasn't loaded, that makes the fight more even at sea. Also, I realized that Brick Boy didn't actually have a ship battle; he did a land build. If you move Andrew to this battle, accepting the victory over Enalica as a given, that makes the fight extremely tricky on this front.
With Brick Boy fighting on land, I'm going to take another look at that part.
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| September 30, 2013, 9:54 pm
I just added a bonus scene at the end of my MOC, it might be worth checking out, considering it may or may not turn the tide of the war! ;)
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| September 30, 2013, 9:57 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting George Marshall
I just added a bonus scene at the end of my MOC, it might be worth checking out, considering it may or may not turn the tide of the war! ;)

Thanks, but compare it to what I just wrote about the land battle... I think that Rainos and its allies still won.
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| September 30, 2013, 10:10 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Would you rather waste his talent against nonexistent enemies or group the battles together? That's what would happen if no pirates attacked - The Nerogue ships would meet the Mythronians in the battle with Rainos.

That's true...I didn't think of that, I'll go edit it.
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| September 30, 2013, 10:16 pm
For those who bent the category description - should we add them as full-on participants? Or just as help in the optional category of Total Builds? (btw, I'm off for the evening, so I won't be able to comment again until tomorrow)
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| September 30, 2013, 10:30 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
For those who bent the category description - should we add them as full-on participants? Or just as help in the optional category of Total Builds? (btw, I'm off for the evening, so I won't be able to comment again until tomorrow)

Why not add the Outlaws to the land battle in Rainos? That sets Freeling against the combined might of Jacob Pennington and the Lost Epic.

The real question is, do we count the people who did both land and sea battles as one or the other, or do we say that their estimated points are split between the two?

By the way, I could use a second opinion on my sea battle comment if anyone is around.
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| October 1, 2013, 7:33 am
 Group admin 
My opinion on each of the battles is that Rainos beats Mythron in Rainos; the outlaws defending Rainos overpower the outlaw attacking Rainos; the ships, thanks to the micro-builds as a stabilizer, are too even for me to determine a winner for; and that the five Outlaws who raided Mythron overwhelmed the three Nerogues trying to defend it. There; my vote is cast. What does everyone else think?
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| October 1, 2013, 7:40 am
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
My opinion on each of the battles is that Rainos beats Mythron in Rainos; the outlaws defending Rainos overpower the outlaw attacking Rainos; the ships, thanks to the micro-builds as a stabilizer, are too even for me to determine a winner for; and that the five Outlaws who raided Mythron overwhelmed the three Nerogues trying to defend it. There; my vote is cast. What does everyone else think?
I say a huge Mythron victory. It will have the best effect on the overall story. Mythron beats Rainos and proves that they are still the superpower of the land. They take a portion of land in Rainos stabilize it.
The future-
Later Mythron can advance on the barbarian capital city and take it. Sometime afterward Rainos fights back and kicks Mythron off their island entirely, but outlaws get a hideout in Rainos. This would happen over the course of many mouths making for a long and realistic war. It would be a parallel to the war of 1812, and I think it will have a tremendous effect on the story.
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| October 1, 2013, 7:55 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
My opinion on each of the battles is that Rainos beats Mythron in Rainos; the outlaws defending Rainos overpower the outlaw attacking Rainos; the ships, thanks to the micro-builds as a stabilizer, are too even for me to determine a winner for; and that the five Outlaws who raided Mythron overwhelmed the three Nerogues trying to defend it. There; my vote is cast. What does everyone else think?
I say a huge Mythron victory. It will have the best effect on the overall story. Mythron beats Rainos and proves that they are still the superpower of the land. They take a portion of land in Rainos stabilize it.
The future-
Later Mythron can advance on the barbarian capital city and take it. Sometime afterward Rainos fights back and kicks Mythron off their island entirely, but outlaws get a hideout in Rainos. This would happen over the course of many mouths making for a long and realistic war. It would be a parallel to the war of 1812, and I think it will have a tremendous effect on the story.

I think they Mythron should have a slight victory.
But there should be some on going battle that goes on for a couple weeks (Like till the next UC) Then the Mythronians finally get pushed back, but they are able to get spies into Rainos. From there, it opens up all sorts of new stories. Like how Mythron could eventually get enough spies to make another attack!
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| October 1, 2013, 8:18 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
My opinion on each of the battles is that Rainos beats Mythron in Rainos; the outlaws defending Rainos overpower the outlaw attacking Rainos; the ships, thanks to the micro-builds as a stabilizer, are too even for me to determine a winner for; and that the five Outlaws who raided Mythron overwhelmed the three Nerogues trying to defend it. There; my vote is cast. What does everyone else think?
I say a huge Mythron victory. It will have the best effect on the overall story. Mythron beats Rainos and proves that they are still the superpower of the land. They take a portion of land in Rainos stabilize it.
The future-
Later Mythron can advance on the barbarian capital city and take it. Sometime afterward Rainos fights back and kicks Mythron off their island entirely, but outlaws get a hideout in Rainos. This would happen over the course of many mouths making for a long and realistic war. It would be a parallel to the war of 1812, and I think it will have a tremendous effect on the story.

I agree completely. I said this before, but I'm glad you brought this up again. I'm not being biased, but having Mythron win a stronghold in Rainos, even a small one, but catapult the story forward. I think no matter what the outcome of the judging is, this would be the best course to take. It also leaves open so many more opportunities for challenges. If Mythron doesn't win anything, then we are just right back where we started, not accomplishing anything.
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| October 1, 2013, 8:19 am
 Group admin 
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
My opinion on each of the battles is that Rainos beats Mythron in Rainos; the outlaws defending Rainos overpower the outlaw attacking Rainos; the ships, thanks to the micro-builds as a stabilizer, are too even for me to determine a winner for; and that the five Outlaws who raided Mythron overwhelmed the three Nerogues trying to defend it. There; my vote is cast. What does everyone else think?
I say a huge Mythron victory. It will have the best effect on the overall story. Mythron beats Rainos and proves that they are still the superpower of the land. They take a portion of land in Rainos stabilize it.
The future-
Later Mythron can advance on the barbarian capital city and take it. Sometime afterward Rainos fights back and kicks Mythron off their island entirely, but outlaws get a hideout in Rainos. This would happen over the course of many mouths making for a long and realistic war. It would be a parallel to the war of 1812, and I think it will have a tremendous effect on the story.

I meant that we should actually determine which sides won by MOC power, not automatic Mythronian victory. Let's determine which factions deserved to win before we decide who should win. People are going to want to know which faction won in that manner, not which faction would be the best for the story.
Besides, we have been careful not to mix challenges with the city attack system until now - I don't think we should start here.
As for which faction would actually be best to win, I think that we are creative enough that we could come up with a good challenge for any possibility. I would like to give Enalica a role in the next challenge, too, even if it only serves a location role, because we're installing a new faction leader and he could use all the help he can get. You can't forget the Outlaw versus Nerogue battle, either, with its possibilities - Will Nerogue's failure affect its relationship with Mythron? Do we finally have a chance to introduce Freeling's Black Lotus organization and kill the High King? And finally, we don't have to make it a complete victory for any side - even if we say that Rainos beats Mythron, Mythron can still set up some outposts.
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| October 1, 2013, 9:12 am
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I meant that we should actually determine which sides won by MOC power, not automatic Mythronian victory. Let's determine which factions deserved to win before we decide who should win. People are going to want to know which faction won in that manner, not which faction would be the best for the story.
Besides, we have been careful not to mix challenges with the city attack system until now - I don't think we should start here.
As for which faction would actually be best to win, I think that we are creative enough that we could come up with a good challenge for any possibility. I would like to give Enalica a role in the next challenge, too, even if it only serves a location role, because we're installing a new faction leader and he could use all the help he can get. You can't forget the Outlaw versus Nerogue battle, either, with its possibilities - Will Nerogue's failure affect its relationship with Mythron? Do we finally have a chance to introduce Freeling's Black Lotus organization and kill the High King? And finally, we don't have to make it a complete victory for any side - even if we say that Rainos beats Mythron, Mythron can still set up some outposts.

Yeah, let's be fair to the great show by Rainos. Rainos definitely wins the defending land battle - not sure about the sea battle. If Mythron wins the sea battle, then we could say that the Rainosian fleet was heavily damaged, and now Mythron rules the waters - preventing Rainos from building ships - Enalica needs to secretly rebuild their own ships on the distant islands in hopes to distract the Mythronian ships and push them back to their own land instead of patrolling the Rainosian boarders and thus allowing Rainos to build up their fleet again.

The 4 Outlaw entries are versing the 3 Nerogueian entries - that might be close, but most likely the Outlaws will win.
Even if the Outlaws don't win, they would still want to regroup and collaborate back in Bodus for more organized attacks.


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| October 1, 2013, 10:32 am
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
What does it mean? Am I biased? Do the micro-ships bump Mythron over the edge? Where is Night Reaper? Someone help me!

I don't know....but it is going to be tough...weren't some of the sea battles just taking out a micro ship and then attacking the land?
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| October 1, 2013, 10:34 am
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Why not add the Outlaws to the land battle in Rainos? That sets Freeling against the combined might of Jacob Pennington and the Lost Epic.

The real question is, do we count the people who did both land and sea battles as one or the other, or do we say that their estimated points are split between the two?

I added them.

That's the tough one....which is why for future challenges we will have to point out that we will disqualify entries if they don't fit the challenge :/
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| October 1, 2013, 10:39 am
I personally like the patrolling Mythronian ships around Rainos, but I'm not sure if Mythron beat out the Rainosians at sea.
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| October 1, 2013, 10:40 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
I say a huge Mythron victory. It will have the best effect on the overall story. Mythron beats Rainos and proves that they are still the superpower of the land. They take a portion of land in Rainos stabilize it.
The future-
Later Mythron can advance on the barbarian capital city and take it. Sometime afterward Rainos fights back and kicks Mythron off their island entirely, but outlaws get a hideout in Rainos. This would happen over the course of many mouths making for a long and realistic war. It would be a parallel to the war of 1812, and I think it will have a tremendous effect on the story.

I know I am new here, and I do not even know if I am supposed to take part at all in this discussion, but I shall say one thing. (someone please tell me if I am not supposed to be here =P)

I think that whoever wins the battle should win it fairly. Not just because of how it advances the story. And still, you can advance the story no matter who wins.
Think of it this way.

Supposing Rainos wins fair and square- some would think "great, we are back where we started". But that isn't true. You could add a twist like maybe Mythron retreats to some Islands and re-groups. Or perhaps they send out a couple dozen spies into Rainos before they leave. There are PLENTY of other ways to advance the story line!
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| October 1, 2013, 11:04 am
 Group admin 

Let's compromise.

How does this sound:
Mythron captures the northeast corner of Rainos, but neither side can advance the battle at present. The Outlaws ransack the countryside in the eastern half of Mythron, but the Nerogues have held the major cities. The pirates never showed up, so all three fleets met near the landing point, where neither had a clear victory. Many Rainosian ships were destroyed, but the remnant of their fleet made it south to Worsan with entire Mythronian troop-ships-turned-prison-hulks of captives and stolen goods. The Mythronian and Nerogue ships are maintaining a secure supply route from their base on Rainos to Meids and Falmore.
These are the key events of the this challenge:
Captives go to Worsan, including, unknown to the Rainosians or anyone outside the staff group, either the High King or one of his brothers. Mythron is trapped in a war on two fronts, so some of them will go to Worsan in disguise to try and free their captive brethren and restore their numbers. Meanwhile, the outlaws are rallying around a new, secretive order known as the Black Lotus, which requires some of its members to go to Worsan to await orders - eventually to help kill the High King. Other Mythronians will return to retake their homeland from the Outlaws, who will be fighting back if they aren't in Worsan. The two options for Nerogues are to go and hold down the fort in Rainos for their allies and pick up some Mythronian military training or to investigate the Black Lotus (which means that they go to Worsan). Rainosians can either use guerrilla warfare to hammer at the Mythronian position or go to Worsan to trade for weaponry. Finally, the Enalican(s) have one mission: to recruit for his/their faction and rethink the faction's image, clashing with the foreigners in Worsan if he/they so wish(es).
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| October 1, 2013, 11:59 am
 Group admin 
Alright, I'm going to be busy today, if I can, I'll judge this evening.
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| October 1, 2013, 12:01 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens

This sounds really good. I like pretty much every idea you just gave. One thing though, please don't name it "Black Lotus". It sounds cliche xD Other than that, I like this a lot! Also, am/are I/we allowed to choose if we will be continuing to ally ourselves with Rainos? Or is this mandatory?
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| October 1, 2013, 12:17 pm
Also, what islands currently belong to Enalica?
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| October 1, 2013, 12:18 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens

Let's compromise.

How does this sound:
Mythron captures the northeast corner of Rainos, but neither side can advance the battle at present. The Outlaws ransack the countryside in the eastern half of Mythron, but the Nerogues have held the major cities. The pirates never showed up, so all three fleets met near the landing point, where neither had a clear victory. Many Rainosian ships were destroyed, but the remnant of their fleet made it south to Worsan with entire Mythronian troop-ships-turned-prison-hulks of captives and stolen goods. The Mythronian and Nerogue ships are maintaining a secure supply route from their base on Rainos to Meids and Falmore.
These are the key events of the this challenge:
Captives go to Worsan, including, unknown to the Rainosians or anyone outside the staff group, either the High King or one of his brothers. Mythron is trapped in a war on two fronts, so some of them will go to Worsan in disguise to try and free their captive brethren and restore their numbers. Meanwhile, the outlaws are rallying around a new, secretive order known as the Black Lotus, which requires some of its members to go to Worsan to await orders - eventually to help kill the High King. Other Mythronians will return to retake their homeland from the Outlaws, who will be fighting back if they aren't in Worsan. The two options for Nerogues are to go and hold down the fort in Rainos for their allies and pick up some Mythronian military training or to investigate the Black Lotus (which means that they go to Worsan). Rainosians can either use guerrilla warfare to hammer at the Mythronian position or go to Worsan to trade for weaponry. Finally, the Enalican(s) have one mission: to recruit for his/their faction and rethink the faction's image, clashing with the foreigners in Worsan if he/they so wish(es).

Sounds fine.
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| October 1, 2013, 12:19 pm
 Group admin 
So wait, are we supposed to just judge now?
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| October 1, 2013, 12:19 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Caleb R
I know I am new here, and I do not even know if I am supposed to take part at all in this discussion, but I shall say one thing. (someone please tell me if I am not supposed to be here =P)

I think that whoever wins the battle should win it fairly. Not just because of how it advances the story. And still, you can advance the story no matter who wins.
Think of it this way.

Supposing Rainos wins fair and square- some would think "great, we are back where we started". But that isn't true. You could add a twist like maybe Mythron retreats to some Islands and re-groups. Or perhaps they send out a couple dozen spies into Rainos before they leave. There are PLENTY of other ways to advance the story line!

Say all you want - you're one of us now.
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| October 1, 2013, 12:33 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Say all you want - you're one of us now.

Awesome! Thank you!
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| October 1, 2013, 12:46 pm
Quoting Freeling .
So wait, are we supposed to just judge now?

Yes
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| October 1, 2013, 1:13 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens

I still think Mythron should fail at the top point since that's where the battle was - maybe more towards the middle where the ships that didn't fight Enalica went.

While the battle raged at the Northeast section of Rainos, another surprise attack happened south of the Northeast battle - thus allowing Mythron to gain a hold like you said - but that other part was total defeat.
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| October 1, 2013, 1:17 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens

Let's compromise.

How does this sound:
Mythron captures the northeast corner of Rainos, but neither side can advance the battle at present. The Outlaws ransack the countryside in the eastern half of Mythron, but the Nerogues have held the major cities. The pirates never showed up, so all three fleets met near the landing point, where neither had a clear victory. Many Rainosian ships were destroyed, but the remnant of their fleet made it south to Worsan with entire Mythronian troop-ships-turned-prison-hulks of captives and stolen goods. The Mythronian and Nerogue ships are maintaining a secure supply route from their base on Rainos to Meids and Falmore.
These are the key events of the this challenge:
Captives go to Worsan, including, unknown to the Rainosians or anyone outside the staff group, either the High King or one of his brothers. Mythron is trapped in a war on two fronts, so some of them will go to Worsan in disguise to try and free their captive brethren and restore their numbers. Meanwhile, the outlaws are rallying around a new, secretive order known as the Black Lotus, which requires some of its members to go to Worsan to await orders - eventually to help kill the High King. Other Mythronians will return to retake their homeland from the Outlaws, who will be fighting back if they aren't in Worsan. The two options for Nerogues are to go and hold down the fort in Rainos for their allies and pick up some Mythronian military training or to investigate the Black Lotus (which means that they go to Worsan). Rainosians can either use guerrilla warfare to hammer at the Mythronian position or go to Worsan to trade for weaponry. Finally, the Enalican(s) have one mission: to recruit for his/their faction and rethink the faction's image, clashing with the foreigners in Worsan if he/they so wish(es).

I like it. Sounds logical;)
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| October 1, 2013, 1:24 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
I still think Mythron should fail at the top point since that's where the battle was - maybe more towards the middle where the ships that didn't fight Enalica went.

While the battle raged at the Northeast section of Rainos, another surprise attack happened south of the Northeast battle - thus allowing Mythron to gain a hold like you said - but that other part was total defeat.

How's this - The Rainosian fleet was split in two, with one half winning the waters in the southern channel and taking the loot to Worsan and the other protecting the vulnerable northeast coast. In between the two, an unbreakable supply line stretches horizontally from the Falmor river delta to the mountain range where the Mythronian army has established a near-impregnable beachhead.
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| October 1, 2013, 1:46 pm
 Group admin 
Can I put the challenge up? I'll wait for one more OK and then I'm going.
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| October 1, 2013, 1:52 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
How's this - The Rainosian fleet was split in two, with one half winning the waters in the southern channel and taking the loot to Worsan and the other protecting the vulnerable northeast coast. In between the two, an unbreakable supply line stretches horizontally from the Falmor river delta to the mountain range where the Mythronian army has established a near-impregnable beachhead.

Perfect! You have a way with words man! Nice!
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| October 1, 2013, 2:04 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Can I put the challenge up? I'll wait for one more OK and then I'm going.

OK

Go for it!
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| October 1, 2013, 2:05 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Can I put the challenge up? I'll wait for one more OK and then I'm going.

Challenge? We already have a new one? What is it?
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| October 1, 2013, 3:02 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting George Marshall
Challenge? We already have a new one? What is it?

Look at my long comment about a compromise. I'm starting a final draft now.
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| October 1, 2013, 3:33 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Look at my long comment about a compromise. I'm starting a final draft now.

I read that, I was just wondering what the actual challenge of it was going to be. I guess we will find out soon enough...
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| October 1, 2013, 4:01 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting George Marshall
I read that, I was just wondering what the actual challenge of it was going to be. I guess we will find out soon enough...

And it's up!
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| October 1, 2013, 5:26 pm
Wow! A lot has happened, is there anything I desperately need to do or know?
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| October 1, 2013, 6:03 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting The Object of Legend
Wow! A lot has happened, is there anything I desperately need to do or know?

Shout at me really quickly if you want something to be changed in the October UC, because it's up in the main group. Otherwise, we can start judging individual entries.
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| October 1, 2013, 6:08 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Shout at me really quickly if you want something to be changed in the October UC, because it's up in the main group. Otherwise, we can start judging individual entries.
Things are just going WAY too fast around here for me, sorry.

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| October 1, 2013, 7:36 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting The Object of Legend
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Shout at me really quickly if you want something to be changed in the October UC, because it's up in the main group. Otherwise, we can start judging individual entries.
Things are just going WAY too fast around here for me, sorry.

No problem... But, since you're the outlaw faction leader, do you want to handle rumors about the Black Lotus? All I know so far is that it is an organization with a secret inner circle made up of assassins who intend to do bad things to Mythron, namely kill one of its crown princes (who is a captive in Worsan), that it wants to recruit outlaws to help it in this mission and finally that the Black Lotus was a Chinese crime syndicate in the BBC show "Sherlock".
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| October 1, 2013, 7:46 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting The Object of Legend
Things are just going WAY too fast around here for me, sorry.

IKR. We need a regional challenge! I'll just do one next month I guess.
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| October 2, 2013, 1:29 pm
We need to judge this!
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| October 3, 2013, 7:04 am
How the judging works:

6 points for the build itself
4 points for other things (lighting, presentation, techniques, story, or more of the build itself. It's up to each individual judge to what these 4 points go towards.)


Caleb R: 7
That Guy You Saw Earlier: 7
Adam Brunsting: 6.5
Sean B: 6
Toa Infernum: 9.5
Gilbert Despathens: 9.5
Dylan Something: 6.5
Garret A: 6
Brick Boy: 7
George Marshall: 7.5
Andrew the Jedi Ninja: 9
~Swift~: 6
David the Fire Ninja Jedi: 8
Ian: 7
McLegofreak: 6
Object of Legend: NA
Mr. Cab: 6
Zach "Gothambygaslight" L: 8
Matt W: 7
Freeling: 8
Jacob Pennington: 7.5
The Lost Epic: 6.5


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| October 3, 2013, 7:11 am
I'm assuming this is for whoever gets the extra 5 points. Are we supposed to judge our own as well?
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| October 3, 2013, 7:46 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Caleb R
I'm assuming this is for whoever gets the extra 5 points. Are we supposed to judge our own as well?

No, we put N/A by our own names. Since we divide the total points earned by the possible points to earn, this evens out our scores fairly well.
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| October 3, 2013, 7:53 am
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
No, we put N/A by our own names. Since we divide the total points earned by the possible points to earn, this evens out our scores fairly well.

Ah, that makes sense. I'll get to judging.
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| October 3, 2013, 8:11 am
I am a bit new to judging, but I shall try my best. I did my additional based on presentation.

Caleb R: N/A

That Guy You Saw Earlier: Build:3 Additional: 2 Total: 5

Adam Brunsting: Build: 5 Additional: 2.5 Total: 7.5

Sean B: Build: 3 Additional: 3 Total: 6

Toa Infernum: Build: 5 Additional: 3.5 Total: 8.5

Gilbert Despathens: Build: 4.5 Additional: 3.5 Total:8

Dylan Something: Build: 3.25 Additional: 3.25 Total: 6.5

Garret A: Build: 3 Additional: 2.5 Total: 5.5

Brick Boy: Build: 4 Additional: 4 Total: 8

Chris: Build: 4 Additional: 3.5 Total: 7.5

George Marshall: Build: 4 Additional: 3 Total: 7

Andrew the Jedi Ninja: Build: 4.5 Additional: 3 Total: 7.5

~Swift~: Build: 4 Additional: 3 Total: 7

David the Fire Ninja Jedi: Build: 5.5 Additional: 3.5 Total: 9

Ian: Build: 3 Additional: 3 Total: 6


McLegofreak: Build: 4 Additional: 3.5 Total: 7.5


Object of Legend: Build: 4 Additional: 3 Total: 7

Mr. Cab: Build: 2.5 Additional: 2.5 Total: 5


Zach "Gothambygaslight" L: Build: 5 Additional: 3 Total: 8

Matt W: Build: 5 Additional: 4 Total: 9

Freeling: Build: 5 Additional: 3.5 Total: 8.5

Jacob Pennington: Build: 4.5 Additional: 3.5 Total: 8

The Lost Epic: Build: 3 Additional: 2.5 Total: 5.5

That was a lot of work. But I'm done!
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| October 3, 2013, 1:00 pm
 Group admin 
Chris: 7

George Marshall: 7

Andrew the Jedi Ninja: 7.5

~Swift~: 7

David the Fire Ninja Jedi: 9

Dylan Something: 6

Garret A: 5

Brick Boy: 8

Ian: 6

McLegofreak: 7.5

Object of Legend: 7

Jacob Pennington: 8

The Lost Epic: 5.5

Caleb R: 8

That Guy You Saw Earlier: 5

Adam Brunsting: 7.5

Sean B: 6

Toa Infernum: :8.

Gilbert Despathens: :8

Mr. Cab: 5


Zach "Gothambygaslight" L: 8

Matt W: 8

Freeling: N/A

Alright. I was rushed to do this.... So... yeah.
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| October 3, 2013, 1:18 pm
Caleb R: 7
That Guy You Saw Earlier: 5
Adam Brunsting: 7
Sean B: 6
Toa Infernum: 8
Gilbert Despathens: 9
Dylan Something: 5
Garret A: 6
Brick Boy: 7
Chris: 6
George Marshall: 6
Andrew the Jedi Ninja: 9
~Swift~: 5
David the Fire Ninja Jedi: N/A
Ian: 5
McLegofreak: 6
Object of Legend: 7
Mr. Cab: 5
Zach "Gothambygaslight" L: 8
Matt W: 9
Freeling: 8
Jacob Pennington: 7
The Lost Epic: 5


All edited
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| October 3, 2013, 8:00 pm
Calling Brick Boy and Gilbert Despathens! If you would be so kind as to judge this challenge we can declare a winner and 2nd place!
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| October 6, 2013, 8:07 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens Brick Boy

It's the 10th, we need to get the results to the main group
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| October 7, 2013, 7:15 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Brick Boy
I like it. Sounds logical;)

Go judge boi.
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| October 7, 2013, 7:52 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
How's this - The Rainosian fleet was split in two, with one half winning the waters in the southern channel and taking the loot to Worsan and the other protecting the vulnerable northeast coast. In between the two, an unbreakable supply line stretches horizontally from the Falmor river delta to the mountain range where the Mythronian army has established a near-impregnable beachhead.

Go judge boi.
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| October 7, 2013, 7:52 pm
It looks as if Toa Infurnum may have this in the bag...
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| October 7, 2013, 8:03 pm
Quoting Matt W.
It looks as if Toa Infurnum may have this in the bag...

Or David TFNJ
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| October 7, 2013, 8:08 pm
 Group admin 
Okay, I'm writing my results! Sorry about the wait; I've been busy on and off the Internet. Now, what was the criteria? 6 points for the build itself and 4 points for other things, like whether or not the builder was fighting for Rainos?
Just kidding, I'm breaking it down into two points for new/fancy techniques, one for the story and one for the photo quality.

Caleb R.- 7/10
That Guy- 4/10
Adam Brunsting- 8/10
Sean B.- 6/10
Toa Infernum- 8.5/10
Gilbert Despathens- N/A
Dylan Something- 6.5/10
Garret A.- 6/10
Brick Boy- 8/10
Chris- 6.5/10
George Marshall- 7/10
Andrew TJN- 8.5/10
Luke TS- 7.5/10
David TFNJ- 8/10
Ian- 3.5/10
McLegofreak- 5/10
Object of Legend- 9/10
Mr. Cab- 4/10
Matt W.- 8/10
Zach L.- 8/10
Jacob Pennington- 7.5/10
Lost Epic- 4/10
Freeling- 7/10
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| October 7, 2013, 8:23 pm
Quoting Matt W.
It looks as if Toa Infurnum may have this in the bag...
I hope so! I really think he captured the heart of this challenge.

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| October 8, 2013, 4:15 pm
Brick boy is slow....and he called me the sleeping police officer.... I would have judged last week!!!
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| October 9, 2013, 4:36 pm
Yeah...he is going very slow....
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| October 9, 2013, 4:39 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Matt W.
Brick boy is slow....and he called me the sleeping police officer.... I would have judged last week!!!

You actually could judge. No one says it has to be Freeling and the faction leaders only. A Sargent judged in the last one, I believe,
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| October 9, 2013, 4:43 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
You actually could judge. No one says it has to be Freeling and the faction leaders only. A Sargent judged in the last one, I believe,

Really? I thought you had to be an admin!
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| October 9, 2013, 4:50 pm
Quoting Matt W.
Really? I thought you had to be an admin!

I'm not really sure....I'd ask Freeling, but whatever.
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| October 9, 2013, 4:51 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Matt W.
Really? I thought you had to be an admin!

I don't think so. I mean, that's never stopped the non-admins in the staff group from voting. Kaeleb Appleyard was never more than a mod, but he voted.
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| October 9, 2013, 5:06 pm
Here we go again:

Caleb R. 7 PTS

Thatguyyousawearlier: 4 PTS

Adam Brunsting: 7 PTS

Sean B. 6 PTS

Toa Infurnum: 8 PTS

Gilbert Despathens: 7PTS

Dylan Something: 6 PTS

Garret A. 5 PTS

~Brick: N/A

Chris: I couldn't find his build anywhere:I

George Marshall: 8 PTS

Andrew TJN: 8 PTS

Swift: 5 PTS

David TFNJ: 8 PTS

Ian: 4 PTS

MCLegoFreak: Again, wrong link:(

The Object of Legend: 6 PTS

Mr. Crab: 4 PTS

Zach: 7 PTS

Matt W. 8 PTS

Freeling: 9 PTS

Jacob Pennington: 8 PTS

The Lost Epic: 2 PTS

There ya go!
~Brick
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| October 9, 2013, 6:28 pm
Doing the math for the results now...
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| October 9, 2013, 9:32 pm
 Group admin 
Sorry, Caleb, I beat you to it.

Caleb R: 7,8,7,7,7=36/5=7.2
That Guy You Saw Earlier: 7,5,5,5,4,4=5
Adam Brunsting: 6.5,7.5,7.5,7,8,7=43.5/6=7.25
Sean B. 6
Toa Infernum: 9.5,8.5,8,8,8.5,8=50.5/6=8.4166666...
Gilbert Despathens: 9.5,8,8,9,7=41.5/5=8.30
Dylan Something: 6.5,6.5,6,5,6.5,6=32/6=5.33333...
Garret A: 6,5.5,5,6,6.5,6=35/6=5.833333...
Brick Boy: 7,7,8,8,8=38/5=7.60
Chris: 6,7.5,7,6.5=27/4=6.75
George Marshall: 6,7.5,7,7,7,8=42.5/6=7.0833333...
Andrew the Jedi Ninja: 9,9,7.5,7.5,8.5,8=49.5/6=8.25
~Swift~: 5,6,7,7,7.5.=32.5/5=6.5
David the Fire Ninja Jedi: 8,9,9,8,8=42/5=8.40
Ian: 5,7,6,6,3.5,4=31.5/6=5.25
McLegofreak: 6,6,7.5,7.5,5=32/6=5.33333...
Object of Legend: 7,7,7,9,6=36/5=7.2
Mr. Cab: 5,6,5,5,4,4=29/6=24.833333...
Zach "Gothambygaslight" L: 8,8,8,8,8,7=47/6=7.833333...
Matt W: 9,7,9,8,8,8=49/6=8.166666...
Freeling: 8,8,8.5,7,9=40.5/5=8.1
Jacob Pennington: 7,7.5,8,8,7.5,8=46/6=7.66666...
The Lost Epic: 5,6.5,5.5,5.5,4,2=28.5/6=4.75

CLOSE competition this time. However, it is my pleasure to announce that the winner (by less than two hundredths of a point) is Toa Infernum, followed closely by David the Fire Ninja Jedi! You can see the winning MOCs here:

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371246

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/370959

Be sure to congratulate the winners on their phenomenal work. Finally, the prizes have been increased this month: First place receives ten extra character points and second place receives five.
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| October 9, 2013, 9:53 pm
Final scores-

Caleb R- 7.2
That Guy- 5
Adam Bruntsting- 7.25
Sean B.- 6 (everyone gave him a 6 =P)
Toa Infernum- 8.42
Gilbert Despanthens- 8.3
Dylan Something-6.1
Garret A.-5.6
Brick Boy-7.6
George Marshall-7.1
Chris-6.75 (only 4 of us voted on him...?)
Andrew TJN-8.25
~Swift~-6.25
David TFNJ-8.4
Ian-5.25
MCLegoFreak-6.4
The Object of Legend-7.2
Mr. Cab-4.8
Matt W.-8.2
Zach-7.8
Jacob Pennington-7.7
Lost Epic-4.75
Freeling-8.1

And the winner is...

TOA INFERNUM! With a score of 8.42! He just barely beat David TFNJ, by .02 points! Close game guys, well done!

PS, do you guys want to check my math again? I am pretty sure I did it all right, but just in case? Also, can I post the results? Since I did all the math =P
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| October 9, 2013, 10:04 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Sorry, Caleb, I beat you to it.

Caleb R: 7,8,7,7,7=36/5=7.2
That Guy You Saw Earlier: 7,5,5,5,4,4=5
Adam Brunsting: 6.5,7.5,7.5,7,8,7=43.5/6=7.25
Sean B. 6
Toa Infernum: 9.5,8.5,8,8,8.5,8=50.5/6=8.4166666...
Gilbert Despathens: 9.5,8,8,9,7=41.5/5=8.30
Dylan Something: 6.5,6.5,6,5,6.5,6=32/6=5.33333...
Garret A: 6,5.5,5,6,6.5,6=35/6=5.833333...
Brick Boy: 7,7,8,8,8=38/5=7.60
Chris: 6,7.5,7,6.5=27/4=6.75
George Marshall: 6,7.5,7,7,7,8=42.5/6=7.0833333...
Andrew the Jedi Ninja: 9,9,7.5,7.5,8.5,8=49.5/6=8.25
~Swift~: 5,6,7,7,7.5.=32.5/5=6.5
David the Fire Ninja Jedi: 8,9,9,8,8=42/5=8.40
Ian: 5,7,6,6,3.5,4=31.5/6=5.25
McLegofreak: 6,6,7.5,7.5,5=32/6=5.33333...
Object of Legend: 7,7,7,9,6=36/5=7.2
Mr. Cab: 5,6,5,5,4,4=29/6=24.833333...
Zach "Gothambygaslight" L: 8,8,8,8,8,7=47/6=7.833333...
Matt W: 9,7,9,8,8,8=49/6=8.166666...
Freeling: 8,8,8.5,7,9=40.5/5=8.1
Jacob Pennington: 7,7.5,8,8,7.5,8=46/6=7.66666...
The Lost Epic: 5,6.5,5.5,5.5,4,2=28.5/6=4.75

CLOSE competition this time. However, it is my pleasure to announce that the winner (by less than two hundredths of a point) is Toa Infernum, followed closely by David the Fire Ninja Jedi! You can see the winning MOCs here:

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/371246

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/370959

Be sure to congratulate the winners on their phenomenal work. Finally, the prizes have been increased this month: First place receives ten extra character points and second place receives five.

Cmon dude... I spent like half an hour on that!
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| October 9, 2013, 10:05 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Caleb of Enalica
Cmon dude... I spent like half an hour on that!

Me, too. And I had to work it around all sorts of other things, so I waited two and a half hours.
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| October 9, 2013, 10:18 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Me, too. And I had to work it around all sorts of other things, so I waited two and a half hours.

Oh well. At least we got the same results! Plus Yours contained more information than mine, which was just the scores. Good work!
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| October 9, 2013, 10:20 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Caleb of Enalica
Oh well. At least we got the same results! Plus Yours contained more information than mine, which was just the scores. Good work!

You, too. Thanks for cross-checking everything; at least there was some benefit from the team effort.
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| October 9, 2013, 10:25 pm
Toa Infernum defeats DTFNJ by the smallest margin in history! Wow!

Toa Infernum: 9.5,8.5,8,8,8.5,8=50.5/6=8.4166666
David the Fire Ninja Jedi: 8,9,9,8,8=42/5=8.40
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| October 10, 2013, 7:20 am
WOW, that is super close!
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| October 10, 2013, 3:57 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
WOW, that is super close!

Yet you did it again. Maybe I should invest in some vegetation-and-landscaping practice; it seems to be doing good for you. Those curved walls certainly didn't hurt your score either.
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| October 10, 2013, 6:05 pm
I think I have a change at this one, I build 4 separate, epic builds, I spent a while on all of them. I hope I can pull off a win! I am so tired of getting freebuild points xD
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| October 10, 2013, 8:59 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Caleb of Enalica
I think I have a change at this one, I build 4 separate, epic builds, I spent a while on all of them. I hope I can pull off a win! I am so tired of getting freebuild points xD

Careful! The presence of too many builds in one MOC seems to irritate people, unless the builder is AP or someone. Or maybe that only happens to me. I'm actually going to try for one large scene this month and stretch my collection.
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| October 10, 2013, 9:04 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Careful! The presence of too many builds in one MOC seems to irritate people, unless the builder is AP or someone. Or maybe that only happens to me. I'm actually going to try for one large scene this month and stretch my collection.

Really? Well we'll see what happens!
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| October 11, 2013, 9:34 am
I think 4 or 5 judges is enough....including the mods might be overdoing it a bit.... I don't know....
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| October 13, 2013, 2:10 pm
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