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 Group admin 
Some of you don't visit the chatroom, but it has issues. It's been afflicted with foul language, ban wars, admin-privilege-insecurity, insecure admins and recently a fight about homosexuality. Since it's the official chatroom of the LOM, we need to reign in the chaos and enforce the rules of MOCpages or get rid of it. These are the problems to overcome:
- Too many people have the administrator password. Only members of this group should have access to it, and even then some of us have abused it.
- Conversation can't wander into politics or religion. That's the rule on MOCpages and we need to enforce it in the same way in the chat room. We have a mix of beliefs and we can't let them clash.
- Banning has to be controlled. If someone swears or refuses to drop a prohibited subject after being warned, that should be worth a one-hour ban. If it happens again, the person should be permanently banned and left to use MOCpages to communicate. Bans for spamming and other harmless offenses should be reduced and preceded by warnings.
- Banning is NOT a toy.
- If need be, members of this group who abuse power or violate these rules should lose their privileges.
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| June 17, 2014, 8:41 pm
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Quoting Caleb R.
Speaking of, we should make a staff ONLY chat.

We could really use one sometimes.
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| June 17, 2014, 8:42 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Some of you don't visit the chatroom, but it has issues. It's been afflicted with foul language, ban wars, admin-privilege-insecurity, insecure admins and recently a fight about homosexuality. Since it's the official chatroom of the LOM, we need to reign in the chaos and enforce the rules of MOCpages or get rid of it. These are the problems to overcome:
- Too many people have the administrator password. Only members of this group should have access to it, and even then some of us have abused it.
- Conversation can't wander into politics or religion. That's the rule on MOCpages and we need to enforce it in the same way in the chat room. We have a mix of beliefs and we can't let them clash.
- Banning has to be controlled. If someone swears or refuses to drop a prohibited subject after being warned, that should be worth a one-hour ban. If it happens again, the person should be permanently banned and left to use MOCpages to communicate. Bans for spamming and other harmless offenses should be reduced and preceded by warnings.
- Banning is NOT a toy.
- If need be, members of this group who abuse power or violate these rules should lose their privileges.

I completely agree!
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| June 17, 2014, 8:44 pm
Agreed. Just read the chat ~Brick sent me. It was very disappointing. Immature debate over something that should never be debated in a KFOL TFOL RPG game. Honestly, NOT the place!
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| June 17, 2014, 8:49 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
We could really use one sometimes.

Can you go back to the chat? I need to discuss something :P

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| June 17, 2014, 9:10 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
We could really use one sometimes.

Seconded!
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| June 17, 2014, 9:12 pm
Quoting Stephen Boe
Seconded!

Thirded.
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| June 18, 2014, 7:34 am
Ok, something has to be done. Joe was spreading false information about me.
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| June 18, 2014, 8:51 am
What is the password? I've never been to the LOM neatchat, and I don't know why the password isn't posted here somewhere.
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| June 18, 2014, 10:04 am
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
The plan there looks good.

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| June 18, 2014, 10:27 am
Quoting David FNJ
What is the password? I've never been to the LOM neatchat, and I don't know why the password isn't posted here somewhere.

I know Brick has it.
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| June 18, 2014, 10:54 am
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Quoting Asad .
Ok, something has to be done. Joe was spreading false information about me.

What sort of false information?
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| June 18, 2014, 11:21 am
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
What sort of false information?

I took care of it with him, but where I live and that I had a daughter.
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| June 18, 2014, 11:24 am
Who all read the chats about Joe and "Hom0phobi@"? That was... interesting. Another reason to enforce more strict rules.
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| June 18, 2014, 11:41 am
I'd advocate for removing the chat immediately from being at all related to LOM. If you aren't willing to have the world see what you are talking about, then don't talk about it at all. Use the LOM general conversation where no one does anything ridiculous and becomes tempted with power. If they want to talk in their own neatchat, that's fine. But we can't let something as vulnerable as this have a possible effect on the game as a whole and its image. If we have had problems now, we would need more of us in there at all times (which I would not want to do) in order to control it. It is very easy to bury stuff in the mass of comments, and that can easily open up room for cyber bullying as well (not to mention grudges and such).

Delete it. That's my stand.
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| June 18, 2014, 12:26 pm
Quoting David FNJ

I have to agree. It brings out the immaturity of people. I say we disconnect it, but make a staff chat. I think the staff could more effectively plan if we took an hour sometime where we all tried to get on at the same time in a chat, and just planned. Skype could work too, but I'm guessing most people wouldn't want to do that.
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| June 18, 2014, 12:56 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Delete it. That's my stand.

Despite how much I like chatting and messaging quickly in the chat room, I have to agree with you. Yesterday, Free even went under a girl name and was kinda flirting with me.
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| June 18, 2014, 1:00 pm
Quoting Stephen Boe (MOCiversary Today!)
Despite how much I like chatting and messaging quickly in the chat room, I have to agree with you. Yesterday, Free even went under a girl name and was kinda flirting with me.

One time everyone in the chat pretended to be a girl.
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| June 18, 2014, 1:06 pm
I made a staff neat chat:http://www.neatchat.com/?id=3cf2a2008b56856c87106bc28fc669b1
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| June 18, 2014, 1:10 pm
Not sure if I'll be around later today, but I'll be around tomorrow.
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| June 18, 2014, 6:18 pm
Quoting David FNJ
Not sure if I'll be around later today, but I'll be around tomorrow.

Same. I don't much more of today!
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| June 18, 2014, 6:19 pm
 Group admin 
http://www.mocpages.com/group_conversation.php?id=22392&topicid=96980



I agree. Rules should be strictly enforced. And any of you who don't like the idea of the chatroom, feel free to come knocking on my door to tell it to my face.

BTW. If anyone wants to help me keep law and order in the chatroom..... The Password is, freehasbigbiceps ... No capitals, no spaces.
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| June 20, 2014, 11:38 am
 Group admin 
The new, fairly-secure password for STAFF MEMBERS ONLY is lomBUILDERS
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| June 20, 2014, 1:58 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
The new, fairly-secure password for STAFF MEMBERS ONLY is lomBUILDERS

The main chat?
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| June 20, 2014, 2:01 pm
This is why I don't use the chatroom.
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| June 20, 2014, 2:46 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
The new, fairly-secure password for STAFF MEMBERS ONLY is lomBUILDERS

THE NEW, FAIRLY MORE-SECURE PASSWORD IS FREEHASBIGBICEPS. NO CAPS, NO SPACES. AND BTW, UPPERCASE LETTERS AND LOWERCASE DON'T EFFECT NC PASSWORDS. AND BTW, TODAY IS CAPS LOCK DAY
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| June 20, 2014, 2:57 pm
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Freeling...
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| June 20, 2014, 3:04 pm
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Freeling...

This is why Free doesn't get the staff password. :/
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| June 20, 2014, 3:07 pm
Freeling, WHY did you give the admin password to Sam, a non staff person? He is not staff, and I. Thought we were strictly enforcing the rules.


New password: leftblade
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| June 24, 2014, 8:40 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Asad .
This is why Free doesn't get the staff password. :/

wat. Oh trust me. I'm sure I could get it. I just don't really care. Fine fine. No non staff members will have the PW. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE I'M THE ONLY STAFF MEMBER WHO EVER COMES IN! SO WHY DOES EVERYONE CARE WHEN I MAKE A FEW DEPUTIES.
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| June 24, 2014, 9:47 pm
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Quoting Freeling ++
wat. Oh trust me. I'm sure I could get it. I just don't really care. Fine fine. No non staff members will have the PW. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE I'M THE ONLY STAFF MEMBER WHO EVER COMES IN! SO WHY DOES EVERYONE CARE WHEN I MAKE A FEW DEPUTIES.

Your deputies have sometimes been part of the problem. Also, I see Brick in there more often than I see you.
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| June 24, 2014, 9:50 pm
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Quoting Gilbert Despathens
Your deputies have sometimes been part of the problem. Also, I see Brick in there more often than I see you.

I'm LITERALLY in there everyday. And I haven't seen brick around recently.
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| June 24, 2014, 9:51 pm
Quoting Freeling ++
wat. Oh trust me. I'm sure I could get it. I just don't really care. Fine fine. No non staff members will have the PW. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE I'M THE ONLY STAFF MEMBER WHO EVER COMES IN! SO WHY DOES EVERYONE CARE WHEN I MAKE A FEW DEPUTIES.

I was in there today with you!
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| June 24, 2014, 9:55 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Stephen Boe
I was in there today with you!

Well then. I didn't know you were staff. :D
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| June 24, 2014, 10:01 pm
 Group admin 
New PW. Amaterasu.
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| June 24, 2014, 10:03 pm
You know, if you guys spent as much time as you do in neatchat I'm sure we'd be able to get a lot more done here -_-

Not like you guys can't go there from time to time, but I'd argue that it is more important to be here than there.
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| June 26, 2014, 5:46 pm
Quoting David FNJ
You know, if you guys spent as much time as you do in neatchat I'm sure we'd be able to get a lot more done here -_-

Not like you guys can't go there from time to time, but I'd argue that it is more important to be here than there.

David, you're right. But let's put this into perspective. Would you rather:

Stay on MOCPages for hours, having to refresh the page every 2 minutes hoping a person has responded to your comment?

Or

Be able to carry on a real, current conversation in realtime?

That's the difference between MP and NeatChat. And I do agree with Gilbert (I think it was his idea) there's no reason we couldn't have a Staff NC. We could conduct business much more quickly, and without interruptions. It would be MORE efficient than MP.

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| June 26, 2014, 6:53 pm
Quoting Freeling ++
wat. Oh trust me. I'm sure I could get it. I just don't really care. Fine fine. No non staff members will have the PW. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE I'M THE ONLY STAFF MEMBER WHO EVER COMES IN! SO WHY DOES EVERYONE CARE WHEN I MAKE A FEW DEPUTIES.

Because the neatchat is something that is a non-essential part of the game. I go there from time to time, but never for long.
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| June 26, 2014, 6:53 pm
Quoting David FNJ
You know, if you guys spent as much time as you do in neatchat I'm sure we'd be able to get a lot more done here -_-

Not like you guys can't go there from time to time, but I'd argue that it is more important to be here than there.

Agreed.

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| June 26, 2014, 6:54 pm
Quoting Freeling ++
YOU DONT USE IT...
I'm sorry, but this is unacceptable. Comment deleted.

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| June 26, 2014, 7:04 pm
Quoting David FNJ
You know, if you guys spent as much time as you do in neatchat I'm sure we'd be able to get a lot more done here -_-

Not like you guys can't go there from time to time, but I'd argue that it is more important to be here than there.

Speaking of getting things does, is there anything you need us to do?
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| June 26, 2014, 7:13 pm
Here's what I don't like about Neat Chat. I have gone on twice to test these theories. People do not take the time to talk like civilized human beings. In fact, you can't, because the comment your responding to will be buried and no one will know what you're talking about. So instead they speak in short unthinking spurts, with childish made up words because there's no time to proofread. Proofreading is a virtue that will save you from a multitude of sins.
I don't blame them though. This is what the Neat Chat causes. It brings out the worst in people.
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| June 26, 2014, 7:18 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
David, you're right. But let's put this into perspective. Would you rather:

Stay on MOCPages for hours, having to refresh the page every 2 minutes hoping a person has responded to your comment?

Or

Be able to carry on a real, current conversation in realtime?

That's the difference between MP and NeatChat. And I do agree with Gilbert (I think it was his idea) there's no reason we couldn't have a Staff NC. We could conduct business much more quickly, and without interruptions. It would be MORE efficient than MP.
Depending on my goal.
To be able to properly reply to and comment about detailed ideas - here.
To outline plans in a summary - here
To format a comment in any way - here
Brainstorming - neat chat (as long as a summary is posted somewhere here)
Chatting randomly (which I now rarely if ever do) - neat chat

We actually do have a staff neat chat. Assad made if. If you want to go there while we are discussing here, then just say so and we'll be able to head over there to talk.
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| June 26, 2014, 7:45 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
Speaking of getting things does, is there anything you need us to do?

Yes. Read the last comment in the Market/Trading Network thread and comment on it and come up with ideas/thoughts for the question I posted near the top of that comment.

Also Gilbert asked about some ideas for certain ranks in his comment in the New Ranks thread.

Brainstorm how we will implement the ranks (each faction having to do the same rank, or are we making them here, or having faction staff do it, etc).
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| June 26, 2014, 7:53 pm
Quoting The Object of Legend
Here's what I don't like about Neat Chat. I have gone on twice to test these theories. People do not take the time to talk like civilized human beings. In fact, you can't, because the comment your responding to will be buried and no one will know what you're talking about. So instead they speak in short unthinking spurts, with childish made up words because there's no time to proofread. Proofreading is a virtue that will save you from a multitude of sins.
I don't blame them though. This is what the Neat Chat causes. It brings out the worst in people.

That is all true...but have you discovered the beauty of private chat?
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| July 7, 2014, 9:31 am
Quoting ~ Brick
That is all true...but have you discovered the beauty of private chat?

Yes, now that has it's benefits for sure. I don't know how to do it through the neatchat though.
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| July 8, 2014, 12:55 pm
FREELING. YOU GAVE THE PW TO CAPTAIN THOMAS? YOU KNOW YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. STOP IT.

I have now changed the PW. Please stop giving it out.

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| July 17, 2014, 8:43 pm
Quoting Freeling ++
I agree. Rules should be strictly enforced.

I now know what a face of hypocrite looks like.
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| July 17, 2014, 8:44 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting ~ Brick
FREELING. YOU GAVE THE PW TO CAPTAIN THOMAS? YOU KNOW YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. STOP IT.

I have now changed the PW. Please stop giving it out.

You're teling me what I'm allowed to do, or to not do?

Brick. Shut it. Stop ordering me around. You were being extremely bossy in the chatroom, but I just ignored it. Remember who created LOM. Remember how you got your power. Don't you dare even think about telling me that I'm not allowed to do something with my own group.

I know what you're going to say. You'll say that the charoom was out of control. But It isn't. And the last time you went berserk, you were going on about how just because I created LOM, doesn't mean I can do whatever want with it. It very well does mean that.

And how you were flipping out about some people in the chatroom being rude, and crazy or whatever, I came in, and warned them, and told them I would ban them if they didn't stop. And they stopped. But you wouldn't let it go. So you went on a banning spree. You banned them, and I unbanned them, and told you to stop, and then you kept banning them over and over.

Like I've said oh so many times now. Brick. Chill.

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| July 17, 2014, 8:54 pm
Quoting Freeling ++
You're teling me what I'm allowed to do, or to not do?

Brick. Shut it. Stop ordering me around. You were being extremely bossy in the chatroom, but I just ignored it. Remember who created LOM. Remember how you got your power. Don't you dare even think about telling me that I'm not allowed to do something with my own group.

I know what you're going to say. You'll say that the charoom was out of control. But It isn't. And the last time you went berserk, you were going on about how just because I created LOM, doesn't mean I can do whatever want with it. It very well does mean that.

And how you were flipping out about some people in the chatroom being rude, and crazy or whatever, I came in, and warned them, and told them I would ban them if they didn't stop. And they stopped. But you wouldn't let it go. So you went on a banning spree. You banned them, and I unbanned them, and told you to stop, and then you kept banning them over and over.

Like I've said oh so many times now. Brick. Chill.

There was a document written called the magna carta. This limits the power of the king, and forces him to obey the rules.

I say it's high time we have written one for LOM>.>
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| July 17, 2014, 8:56 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting ~ Brick
There was a document written called the magna carta. This limits the power of the king, and forces him to obey the rules.

I say it's high time we have written one for LOM>.>

What rules have I broken? One that you have bestowed upon me, saying that "I'm not allowed to give the PW out"?

Brick. Seriously. I have the chatroom, and the group under control.

If someone breaks the rules, They'll be warned, and If they continue to do so, They'll be banned.

People in the charoom are saying that YOU shouldn't have the Password. They've said that before, And they're saying it again.
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| July 17, 2014, 8:59 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting ~ Brick

I hope this doesn't get in the way of our friendship.
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| July 17, 2014, 9:03 pm
Quoting Freeling ++
What rules have I broken? One that you have bestowed upon me, saying that "I'm not allowed to give the PW out"?

Brick. Seriously. I have the chatroom, and the group under control.

If someone breaks the rules, They'll be warned, and If they continue to do so, They'll be banned.

People in the charoom are saying that YOU shouldn't have the Password. They've said that before, And they're saying it again.

If people hate me, tell them to say it to my face.

And rules have been broken. We collectively established that ONLY LOM STAFF members should have the pass word. Giving it out to another person is like throwing a spark into a dry field. In the coming days more and more people will have it and things will spiral out of control.

It is my opinion, that, because of conflicting opinions on order, each faction should have an individual chat room. This would work wonderfully! If the admins dislike Neat chat, or don't have the time....the MODs can have full authority over the chat rooms.
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| July 17, 2014, 9:04 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting ~ Brick
If people hate me, tell them to say it to my face.

And rules have been broken. We collectively established that ONLY LOM STAFF members should have the pass word. Giving it out to another person is like throwing a spark into a dry field. In the coming days more and more people will have it and things will spiral out of control.

It is my opinion, that, because of conflicting opinions on order, each faction should have an individual chat room. This would work wonderfully! If the admins dislike Neat chat, or don't have the time....the MODs can have full authority over the chat rooms.

Hardly any of the staff even goes there. I have recruited members who I trust personally. If you have a problem with that, take it to the creator of LOM.
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| July 17, 2014, 9:06 pm
Quoting Freeling ++
Hardly any of the staff even goes there. I have recruited members who I trust personally. If you have a problem with that, take it to the creator of LOM.

I believe I'm in the middle of confronting the creator of LOM.
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| July 17, 2014, 9:08 pm
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Quoting ~ Brick
I believe I'm in the middle of confronting the creator of LOM.

It was sarcasm. Anyways, Brick. Nobody hates you. Nobody. Just to be clear. And to be clear on another point, I still consider us to be friends, no mater how much we argue.


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| July 17, 2014, 9:12 pm
 Group admin 
To All admins.

Just to be clear on some things. Not many staff members go to the chatroom much.

So I will make me two deputies, Whom I trust.
Captain Thomas, And Timothy post.

And as always, people will be warned about breaking the rules, and if they continue to break them, they will be banned.
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| July 17, 2014, 9:17 pm
*comment read*
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| July 17, 2014, 9:18 pm
 Group admin 
Okay. At least they're both LOM members.
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| July 17, 2014, 9:30 pm
I'm staying out of this.
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| July 18, 2014, 6:24 am
Quoting The Object of Legend
I'm staying out of this.

This is exactly why I don't go there anymore. Too much chaos and arguing.
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| July 18, 2014, 7:40 am
Whatever. If you have problems then I say take the neatchat away from being connected to LOM. In short, if people can't behave in a chat area where their comments can be hidden from people because of the throng of comments, then they have absolutely no business being there.

Anyways, I'm with OOL on this one.
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| July 18, 2014, 11:23 am
Quoting Asad .
This is exactly why I don't go there anymore. Too much chaos and arguing.

Not to throw Free under the bus, but his actions have created a lot of conflict. Or rather, him bending the rules, and then me raging at him in doing so.
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| July 26, 2014, 9:13 am
Brick, would you consider leaving the chat?
I've yet to hear something substantially positive coming from the chat. Nor have i heard about any improvements since the last time we talked about it. Can we just end this? Make it separate from LOM.
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| July 26, 2014, 10:50 am
 Group admin 
Quoting David FNJ
Whatever. If you have problems then I say take the neatchat away from being connected to LOM. In short, if people can't behave in a chat area where their comments can be hidden from people because of the throng of comments, then they have absolutely no business being there.

Anyways, I'm with OOL on this one.

I'm with both of you by now.
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| July 27, 2014, 11:44 am
Quoting David FNJ
Brick, would you consider leaving the chat?
I've yet to hear something substantially positive coming from the chat. Nor have i heard about any improvements since the last time we talked about it. Can we just end this? Make it separate from LOM.

I have considered it, reluctantly. But the chat has basically died now....it is unlikely that it will continue. Of course, Freeling is going to continue it...but if we all agree to disband it, he can't stop us.

Anyways, Freeling did create another chatroom for his friends to do whatever they want...so things have calmed down a bit. Still, with his constant passing of the password order is extremely hard to maintain.
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| July 27, 2014, 12:51 pm
Quoting ~ Brick
I have considered it, reluctantly. But the chat has basically died now....it is unlikely that it will continue. Of course, Freeling is going to continue it...but if we all agree to disband it, **he can't stop us**.

Anyways, Freeling did create another chatroom for his friends to do whatever they want...so things have calmed down a bit. Still, with his constant passing of the password order is extremely hard to maintain.

Yes, he can. The people that care will go to whatever new chatroom Free announces is the LOM Chatroom, and the people that don't already agree with us.
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| July 27, 2014, 1:17 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Gilbert Despathens
I miss the old NC, where people actually came to talk and not spam it with mild profanities. Actually, what I miss most is the fact that, whatever drama was going on over the password, there was almost always someone to ban the pottymouths.

It was like that. And then Brick freaked out over me giving other people the Password. (And they were people that I had trusted.) So then he kept changing the Password, And I've only now just gotten it back recently.


Anyways, That's basically the only way to keep it active. Make active people there, Who are trustworthy, Mods. And they'll be excited about their promotion, and come there everyday. But before that, we need to establish the rules, and paste it to any newcomer. Oh, and also make a new chatroom.
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| August 18, 2014, 11:30 am
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