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It is insane that there are pornographic MOC images showing up on the Load Screen
What the nelly is going on here?

http://www.moc-pages.com/content_warning.php?mocid=436668

I am officially complaining that an image of a naked woman is appearing on the load screen under "everyone's LEGO creations". This is becoming quite common.

If the moderators are unwilling to show some basic decency, than could someone please direct me to the family-friendly Lego community? This is not tolerable.

I used to recommend this site to parents of kids who love LEGOs. I can't in good conscience do this any longer. Shame on you guys.
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| February 11, 2017, 7:35 pm
Quoting Unknown Jedi
What the nelly is going on here?

http://www.moc-pages.com/content_warning.php?mocid=436668

I am officially complaining that an image of a naked woman is appearing on the load screen under "everyone's LEGO creations". This is becoming quite common.

If the moderators are unwilling to show some basic decency, than could someone please direct me to the family-friendly Lego community? This is not tolerable.

I used to recommend this site to parents of kids who love LEGOs. I can't in good conscience do this any longer. Shame on you guys.

...as if this conversation hasn't happened fifty million times already...

(Also, I'm sure the Lego Message Boards would be happy to have you)
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| February 11, 2017, 7:42 pm
Quoting Unknown Jedi
What the nelly is going on here?

http://www.moc-pages.com/content_warning.php?mocid=436668

I am officially complaining that an image of a naked woman is appearing on the load screen under "everyone's LEGO creations". This is becoming quite common.

If the moderators are unwilling to show some basic decency, than could someone please direct me to the family-friendly Lego community? This is not tolerable.

I used to recommend this site to parents of kids who love LEGOs. I can't in good conscience do this any longer. Shame on you guys.

Jeez mate, can everyone just stop with the Bricks Noir stuff? He's doing everything he can to properly mark his stuff as mature. Please, just give him a break!
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| February 11, 2017, 8:11 pm
My response is simple: so-called "mature" MOCs, (in reality they are immature) should not appear on my load screen.

Also, if there is a previous thread, I couldn't find it. Please direct me. Is it even possible to search the Help Forum by topic? In any case, if the topic is addressed already, what was the response of the moderator?
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| February 11, 2017, 8:58 pm
Quoting Unknown Jedi
My response is simple: so-called "mature" MOCs, (in reality they are immature) shouldn't not appear on my load screen.

Also, if there is a previous thread, I couldn't find it. Please direct me. Is it even possible to search the Help Forum by topic? In any case, if the topic is addressed already, what was the response of the moderator?

http://www.moc-pages.com/group_conversation.php?id=2600&topicid=105288

Have fun.

(Noir doesn't come up until half way through the convo)
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| February 11, 2017, 9:00 pm
Quoting Wertman 8
...as if this conversation hasn't happened fifty million times already...

(Also, I'm sure the Lego Message Boards would be happy to have you)

Copy pasted direct from lego.com:

Important Announcement:

The LEGO.com Message Boards will be retired on March 6, 2017.
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| February 11, 2017, 10:04 pm
Quoting Zachary Baker
Copy pasted direct from lego.com:

Important Announcement:

The LEGO.com Message Boards will be retired on March 6, 2017.

Ah.
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| February 11, 2017, 10:10 pm
Quoting Unknown Jedi
What the nelly is going on here?

http://www.moc-pages.com/content_warning.php?mocid=436668

I am officially complaining that an image of a naked woman is appearing on the load screen under "everyone's LEGO creations". This is becoming quite common.

If the moderators are unwilling to show some basic decency, than could someone please direct me to the family-friendly Lego community? This is not tolerable.

I used to recommend this site to parents of kids who love LEGOs. I can't in good conscience do this any longer. Shame on you guys.

I agree, but don't be so harsh on the mods!
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| February 12, 2017, 7:25 am
But, mods, are you able to have Noir do a blank picture with the title of the creation or something for the thumbnail? Because if one of my MOCs gets to the homepage, I want a screenshot, but if there's a pixelated picture of some naked woman, than I can do a screenshot! Help me out here, please?
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| February 12, 2017, 7:28 am
Quoting High Emperor Duckie
But, mods, are you able to have Noir do a blank picture with the title of the creation or something for the thumbnail? Because if one of my MOCs gets to the homepage, I want a screenshot, but if there's a pixelated picture of some naked woman, than I can do a screenshot! Help me out here, please?

*cant
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| February 12, 2017, 7:28 am
We've had this bloomin' discussion- a lot. Let's be mature, no need for another 30 poeple to write religious or inappropriate comments.

I think he should have had it blacked out or with a blank screen, rather then just a blur.

But a black square appears to be ok, as he has gotten away with that in the past, but I'm not sure about this. Let's leave this thread BLANK from now until the mods come, shall we? With no arguments, sounds good, dosent it?
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| February 12, 2017, 1:04 pm
Quoting Unknown Jedi
What the nelly is going on here?

http://www.moc-pages.com/content_warning.php?mocid=436668

I am officially complaining that an image of a naked woman is appearing on the load screen under "everyone's LEGO creations". This is becoming quite common.

If the moderators are unwilling to show some basic decency, than could someone please direct me to the family-friendly Lego community? This is not tolerable.

I used to recommend this site to parents of kids who love LEGOs. I can't in good conscience do this any longer. Shame on you guys.
i second this no matter how many times its complained about it just falls on deaf ears it seems.as i mentioned before and repeat his does not belong here! there are other creations out there that deserve the same amount of recognition. so now that this topic is back in the news i urge mocpages moderation to take a second look.if something is not done you only receive more condemnation and people will think that you condone these images and you get more backlash it only mounts up than get quiet. moderation's lax approach to this and forgive me but there approach to has been outright deplorable and disappointing and at times shameful that you are allowing this to continue.im glad there are people mocpages out there who share these views and are willing to speak out.

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| February 12, 2017, 3:41 pm
Here we go again.

Look. Sean Kennedy himself reviewed the "worst" of Brick Noir's mocs and he DIDN'T feel he needed to be banned. Bricks was advised to edit the thumbnail previews, which he has. The mature filter is in place, so ONLY those viewing with the filter OFF should be able to see the uneditted images.

But what I'm reading here are not complaints that his work is offensive, but sour grapes that they are popular and on the front page. Newsflash people, it's on the front page because people are viewing it in their hundreds, that MUST include people who are deliberately removing the mature filter who shouldn't.

I will ping another email to Mark and Chris to ask them if this is worth looking at again, but I know what their reaction is likely to be, that this entire situation is beyond a joke.


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| February 12, 2017, 4:02 pm
I have read the previous threads on this and it seems to rehash the same knee jerk reactions on all sides. Some want family and more importantly kid friendly pages in which to show Moc's. Others push for the art and freedom of expression side and to those there was given the option of letting people know that there creation may not be suitable for children due to content. If I go to an art museum, I know I will see a wide variety of things some of which I can appreciate the techniques used if not the subject matter. Mr. K is an artist himself and desires an open expression on art, in my opinion, and he runs the site with that philosophy. In art, one man's porn is another man's study of the human form. That said, I can appreciate the incongruity of a family friendly site promoting the use of a children's toy as an art medium and having a depiction of nudity on a primary page! I do not blame mods or even the brick artist, but still think the best things is an overhaul of the site itself. The site is old, uses old tech, is clunky and problematic. It is doddering. A modern site would provide age approved material for each visitor and adults could control what they want to see. I know there have been volunteers in the past who would be willing to help with such an upgrade, maybe it is time?
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| February 12, 2017, 4:07 pm
Well, I have no idea who Sean is. Presumably the owner of the site? In any case, the pixelation on the thumbnail is inadequate. You guys need to respect that kids like to use this site. This is really a no-brainer. If you turn away the kids or their parents, how can this site survive? The joke is a Lego MOC site that has lego-porn on the load screen.
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| February 12, 2017, 4:15 pm
Quoting Unknown Jedi
Well, I have no idea who Sean is. Presumably the owner of the site? In any case, the pixelation on the thumbnail is inadequate. You guys need to respect that kids like to use this site. This is really a no-brainer. If you turn away the kids or their parents, how can this site survive? The joke is a Lego MOC site that has lego-porn on the load screen.

I don't want him banned. I like his kid-friendly work. I'm with the comment I'm quoting, the pixelation doesn't help.
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| February 12, 2017, 4:47 pm
This again? Seriously, the admins have already deliberated in the past that it does not violate any terms of service.

Furthermore, removal from this site is a form of censorship and in a community that is supposed to be the embodiment of creativity we can't have that now can we?

If you go into an art gallery, would you consider the naked greek statues inappropriate? No, because its considered 'art'. That's what this man is trying to create; art. In fact, we could all take a page out of his book in using Lego to create true works of art (not that I don't like the recreations of famous movie characters or giant houses or anything of the such).

My point being is that if you don't like it that's fine; just don't try to force your opinion on others by asking for banning, especially since I know for a fact it will get you nowhere.
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| February 12, 2017, 6:09 pm
Quoting Declan Muller
This again? Seriously, the admins have already deliberated in the past that it does not violate any terms of service.

Furthermore, removal from this site is a form of censorship and in a community that is supposed to be the embodiment of creativity we can't have that now can we?

If you go into an art gallery, would you consider the naked greek statues inappropriate? No, because its considered 'art'. That's what this man is trying to create; art. In fact, we could all take a page out of his book in using Lego to create true works of art (not that I don't like the recreations of famous movie characters or giant houses or anything of the such).

My point being is that if you don't like it that's fine; just don't try to force your opinion on others by asking for banning, especially since I know for a fact it will get you nowhere.

Did you READ my comment?

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| February 12, 2017, 7:20 pm
I do think he should edit the TITLE photos to make them a little less revealing. But besides that, if a kid goes farther than the paternal guidence, he exposed himself. I do think they are beautiful Mocs, but I think this is a little excessive to bring up another topic on it. Let's all get along guys
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| February 12, 2017, 7:26 pm
*sigh*

I'll go over it again for those who are, perhaps new to the site and not familiar with the earlier conversations.

For those that don't know, Sean Kenney is the gentleman who created MOCpages, and he is responsible for it's operation. He determines the rules set forth, and ultimately has the final word in regard to any situations that might be controversial or unclear.

He's already expressed his position on Noir's work, and if I'm not mistaken, has even spoken directly to him in order to establish some clear rules for Noir presenting his MOCs.

Unless Sean steps in and says otherwise, the page that started this conversation, and other creations by Noir will remain.

If you're offended by MOCpages' position on the matter, perhaps you'd be happier somewhere else.

Meanwhile, you are certainly free to try to contact Sean directly, if you feel you'd like to voice your opinion. I've already contacted Sean about this topic numerous times on behalf of numerous members, relaying their concerns to him - I'm not going to do it anymore on this matter.


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| February 12, 2017, 7:42 pm
Quoting I am Zangief, I am bad guy
Quoting Declan Muller
This again? Seriously, the admins have already deliberated in the past that it does not violate any terms of service.

Furthermore, removal from this site is a form of censorship and in a community that is supposed to be the embodiment of creativity we can't have that now can we?

If you go into an art gallery, would you consider the naked greek statues inappropriate? No, because its considered 'art'. That's what this man is trying to create; art. In fact, we could all take a page out of his book in using Lego to create true works of art (not that I don't like the recreations of famous movie characters or giant houses or anything of the such).

My point being is that if you don't like it that's fine; just don't try to force your opinion on others by asking for banning, especially since I know for a fact it will get you nowhere.

Did you READ my comment?

Wasn't aimed at you specifically.

Just...I've seen his comment sections and the rise in h@tred towards him recently here.
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| February 12, 2017, 7:48 pm
He should stay. I'm not saying I approve all of his work, but I am not for removing him. Some say that it is a study of human form, and while in a way it is, it is also more times than not showing very adult themes that I feel are only for the sake of being adult. I am an art student, so I see a lot of things; Bricks' stuff is not all too shocking to me anymore. I understand those who find it offensive, but there is something to be said about freedom of speech and the fact that it has been approved by multiple levels of authority on MOCpages, including Sean, the founder, who only requested that one of Bricks' creations be removed for it's very overt nature.

And I know that the start of this was to keep those things from the appearing on the front page, but that is also censorship after the fact of Bricks Noir already censoring his posts. He has done multiple levels of censorship before. Solid screens with text, the image with a black circle and text within, black squares over the areas that would require censorship on television, cropping the image, and now pixelation. The MOCs that need a PG rating to stay on MOCpages have them, and after all that he has gone through, including the removal of a post, he has been very cooperative. It seems unfair to ask him to do even more when that will not help him share his creations.

I'm sorry that there are those of you that are offended or are trying to look out for the "well being" of others, but this is a fight not worth having. No new coding is getting written anytime soon. No new algorithm is going to pop up just for a handful of people. And it's not just on the homepage; it's also on every page that has been added to a group and that group's lineup is preceded or succeeded by one of his creations. At that point, those that want the extra censorship and algorithms might as well ask for him to be banned, and that's not fair. And to take a note from comments above and in other threads, the people who find this offensive and are complaining about it still decided to look at the creation anyway! Don't act so high and mighty if you cannot resist the temptation to click on the link to see why a creation has been censored. And even if such a thing were put in place, there is no guarantee it would work. I've had the safe browsing turned both on and off in the past, and nothing was any different between the two. I still have to click the "Show me the creation" link on PG filtered MOCs even though I have the system turned off. The extra censorship may not even work.

And to touch on the whole "think of the children" argument, that is flimsy at best. This is the Internet, it doesn't take much to find something someone won't approve of. How many kids under 13 watch gamers on Twitch and YouTube stars that curse over three words? How many have accounts on sites they have no business being on like Instagram, Tumblr, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, etc.? Just because you have a handful of sites like this that are considered safe havens doesn't mean that they are all that safe either. We've got links that lead off MOCpages everywhere. We have hackers. We still have pages being reported that are scams for realestate, insurance, and medications. As obscure and as infrequent as some of those may be, a kid is still at risk just for being on the Internet, and they don't spend all their time just visiting MOCpages. This is a fairly small website run by one man, and it has actually run pretty well when you consider all the rule breaking that happens on larger sites and how impersonal they are with complaints; if this one thing offends so much, then make your own website.
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| February 12, 2017, 8:07 pm
Quoting MCLegoboy !

*Dramatic slow clap and standing ovation*
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| February 12, 2017, 8:22 pm
Well, when this issue blows up on social media, people are really gonna wonder what the heck you guys were thinking. Making safe spaces for lego-porn artists so they don't feel "censored". Pretty impressive agenda.
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| February 12, 2017, 11:18 pm
ALL OF YOU, read this thread by andros-

http://www.moc-pages.com/group_conversation.php?id=2600&topicid=105333 !!!!!
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| February 13, 2017, 2:58 am
Quoting Unknown Jedi
Well, when this issue blows up on social media, people are really gonna wonder what the heck you guys were thinking. Making safe spaces for lego-porn artists so they don't feel "censored". Pretty impressive agenda.


I agree with you, but be quiet! We have had this debate before, your comment has been written by many poeple in many forms before. So just get on with your life! If a ship is sinking, do you sit inside and complain whilst everyone else gets a lifeboat? No. Same issue here.
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| February 13, 2017, 3:03 am
I am pretty sure I never once mentioned religion or politics :)

Quoting James Douglas
ALL OF YOU, read this thread by andros-

http://www.moc-pages.com/group_conversation.php?id=2600&topicid=105333 !!!!!


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| February 13, 2017, 6:11 am
Do you know who lures children with toys, and then starts showing them porn? I learned about these pedo types on Different Strokes back in the 80s. I am not accusing anyone here, but it could easily be made to look very bad for you guys. I wonder if they might call it "Legogate".
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| February 13, 2017, 6:17 am
I just want better censorship! Preferably a blank pic as the thumbnail, but I'll take anything better than those inadequate pixelizations
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| February 13, 2017, 7:33 am
Quoting James Douglas
ALL OF YOU, read this thread by andros-

http://www.moc-pages.com/group_conversation.php?id=2600&topicid=105333 !!!!!

We all just got tyranosaurus rekt. Good link.
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| February 13, 2017, 8:05 am
Quoting MCLegoboy !
We all just got tyranosaurus rekt. Good link.

No. I did not mention religion in any way, I was asking that noir be asked to use some adequate censorship
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| February 13, 2017, 9:53 am
"Well, when this issue blows up on social media, people are really gonna wonder what the heck you guys were thinking."
"I am not accusing anyone here, but it could easily be made to look very bad for you guys. I wonder if they might call it "Legogate"."

Sure- because I'm sure the world will be really interested in what one guy puts up on some obscure, privately run fan website. (I'm being sarcastic if you couldn't tell)

Here's an idea- if you're so upset with the way in which one guy censors his main images, why don't you talk to him yourself about it? Y'know, actually treat this with the maturity you proclaim to champion, instead of wasting the mods' (and everyone's) time by demanding they do that job for you, and then limply threaten when they say no?

(Edit- see, like Zangief did!)
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| February 13, 2017, 10:43 am
Ugh. Please let's all move on and let this go.
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| February 13, 2017, 10:57 am
Quoting Tucker Marley
Ugh. Please let's all move on and let this go.

You know, if people would stop commenting here, even to tell people to move on, maybe it would die down. :P
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| February 13, 2017, 11:00 am
Quoting Rove Random
You know, if people would stop commenting here, even to tell people to move on, maybe it would die down. :P

Good point :P
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| February 13, 2017, 11:16 am
Quoting Rove Random
You know, if people would stop commenting here, even to tell people to move on, maybe it would die down. :P


But...but....but.....where's the fun in that?
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| February 13, 2017, 12:47 pm
Quoting Unknown Jedi

But he says "remember, this is NOT a debate group" so you guys, be quiet, profabor!
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| February 13, 2017, 12:48 pm
Quoting andros tempest
Here we go again.

Look. Sean Kennedy himself reviewed the "worst" of Brick Noir's mocs and he DIDN'T feel he needed to be banned. Bricks was advised to edit the thumbnail previews, which he has. The mature filter is in place, so ONLY those viewing with the filter OFF should be able to see the uneditted images.

But what I'm reading here are not complaints that his work is offensive, but sour grapes that they are popular and on the front page. Newsflash people, it's on the front page because people are viewing it in their hundreds, that MUST include people who are deliberately removing the mature filter who shouldn't.

I will ping another email to Mark and Chris to ask them if this is worth looking at again, but I know what their reaction is likely to be, that this entire situation is beyond a joke.


well i would have to disagree with you on a few lines first of all this is a moral issue not a competition issue and like it or not bricks noir will keep receiving backlash no matter who wins.its amazing how deplorable content gets more press over legitimate content.
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| February 13, 2017, 9:51 pm
Dude it's really this simple, if you do not want to see the creation, then simply do not look at it. Now I'm not saying it should be everywhere, and I don't particularly look at his creations, but if you don't want to see it then don't.
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| February 13, 2017, 9:54 pm
Just.everyone.be.quiet.

This is NOT a debate group!

Your comments are not helping anyone. Not the mods, not yourselves. But they are casing unnecessary annoyance, hurt and clashes of morales.
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| February 14, 2017, 3:21 am

Parental guidance warnings

What is it?
Safeguarding creative freedom
Safe browsing mode
What protection do I have?
Who puts the warnings in place?

What is it?

MOCpages flags some LEGO creations to let you know they might not be appropriate for young children. They won't be shown to you unless you want to see them.

This is not a category for pornography, racism, or other topics that MOCpages strictly disallows. Content that violates our terms of use is deleted entirely.

This is the kind of content you might see on prime time or late night TV. More mature themes, depictions of violence, light profanity, or nonsexual nudity may be present but not deemed so intense as to require that parents be strongly cautioned.

Isn't LEGO for kids?
MOCpages is also home to a huge community of teen and adult LEGO hobbyists that create some of the most amazing LEGO creations the world has ever seen. They are a huge inspiration to the children that visit MOCpages. Many would have otherwise left if they felt censored.



Safeguarding creative freedom

MOCpages believes in safeguarding creative freedom. There are two parts to this idea:
Creative freedom is the opposite of censorship. Our community members should feel like they can be themselves... They are the true heart of MOCpages, and without them, we have no one to look to for inspiration.

Safeguarding gives people a way to avoid content that they may find objectionable... which is a subjective and personal decision.
It sounds like it's an oxymoron, but these ideas can coexist when there's a rating system and content warnings.



Safe browsing mode

When you use MOCpages, you are by default in a safe browsing mode. This means that a LEGO creation that might not be suitable for children will be blocked from view until you opt to view it.

Safe browsing mode OFF
When you have left safe browsing mode, you can view all content freely, without any warnings or obstructions. A message appears at the top of every page that lets you know safe browsing mode is off. You can click on the link in this message to return to safe browsing mode.



What protection do I have?

In lists and searches
When you come across one of these LEGO creations in search results, groups, or any other kind of list, it will appear as (Title hidden) and might not have a photo. This is MOCpages' way of hiding the content from you until you have a chance to indicate whether you'd like to view it.

Viewing the LEGO creation
When a you try to view one of these LEGO creations, you are warned that the LEGO creation may not be safe for children and asked if you want to continue. If you continue, you will be brought to the LEGO creation. At this point, safe browsing mode will be switched off, and MOCpages will not warn you before viewing future pages.



Who puts the warnings in place?

Anyone who adds a LEGO creation to MOCpages can declare that it may not be suitable for children. They can also edit existing LEGO creations and set them this way.

MOCpages moderators can flag any page if they feel it is appropriate. Once this happens, the person that added the LEGO creation will not be able to remove the warning.

Community members can also suggest content that they feel should be flagged by submitting it to a moderator in our Help forums.


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| February 14, 2017, 5:17 am
Quoting Unknown Jedi
What the nelly is going on here?

http://www.moc-pages.com/content_warning.php?mocid=436668

I am officially complaining that an image of a naked woman is appearing on the load screen under "everyone's LEGO creations". This is becoming quite common.

If the moderators are unwilling to show some basic decency, than could someone please direct me to the family-friendly Lego community? This is not tolerable.

I used to recommend this site to parents of kids who love LEGOs. I can't in good conscience do this any longer. Shame on you guys.
100% agreed

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| February 15, 2017, 3:27 pm
At this point i think we need to get together and make our own website, If anyone is interested my skype is ShockTNC just tell me your from mocpages and ill add you.
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| February 15, 2017, 3:31 pm
Just to clarify.

The "community" in here is arguing the matter based on issues such as artistic freedom, censorship, the definitions of art and pornography, and legalistic interpretations of the MOCpages rules. This is all fine, but rather insulated from the broader reality.

The only point I am trying to make is that this should be viewed as a public relations minefield rather than as a philosophical debate between insiders.
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| February 15, 2017, 4:32 pm
Quoting Tristan .

If you think any "public relations" debacle will result from one man making nude pinups out of LEGO, especially on a site as ancient, obscure, and badly maintained as this, you're a lot less intelligent than you think... but hey, we knew that already, since you dredged up this months-old conversation again. There is nothing wrong with what Bricks Noir does. If you were on Flickr and saw his MOCs there, what would you do? Report him? Please. Creative freedom exists for a reason, and that reason is to weed out the stuffy people like you, who get triggered and try to ruin everything.

It's simple - Bricks Noir censors his stuff just fine, and if you don't like it, don't view it. It's incredibly easy to ignore a small, censored thumbnail on the home page. Heck, I'm sure even a guy as clearly challenged as you could do it.

Kindly quiet down, and let the big boys talk from here on out.

Jeez dude, don't you think that was a bit much?
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| February 15, 2017, 5:24 pm
So in conclusion: this has been discussed before, Bricks Noir is still following all the rules, and Unknown Jedi must get over himself as his argument is lost. Can a mod close this thread now.
Quoting Tucker Marley
Jeez dude, don't you think that was a bit much?

Hard no on that one. This thread is a product of overzealous political correctness and perhaps simply somebody looking to pick a fight. Very petty. I wish them luck in creating their safe-space LEGO sharing website.
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| February 15, 2017, 5:31 pm
Quoting Tristan .

Nope.

:P
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| February 15, 2017, 5:31 pm
Quoting James Douglas
But he says "remember, this is NOT a debate group" so you guys, be quiet, profabor!

James, when did you become the commanding hotshot? I don't remember you ever trying to assert some power. this is a group where people should debate actually, if it's important enough. Majority rules, so overall it helps the group better better.
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| February 15, 2017, 5:39 pm
You do realize that crying over Bricks Noir for the 14 quadrillionth time only increases people's awareness and support for him. I think it's time to grow up and realize things aren't just sun shine and rainbows for you. You're gonna see things you don't like. Bricks Noir is doing nothing wrong, and the moderators and owner of the site have confirmed this. The amount of immaturity and pseudo-Fascism that has been festering on this site is a real problem. It's turning away the little amount of visitors this page has, and it certainly isn't appealing to any new members. I personally have seen first hand the abhorrence some ex-members feel for this site and particularly some members. They are ruining the experience for all of us. What I'm saying is that if you have any kind of hope for this site, stop bringing up a dead topic for the 100th time to cry about it like others have before. Complain about the actual problems this site has, such as the archaic site design and absent admin who shows no care for this site, instead of locking yourself in a sound proof room screaming "I don't like Brick Noir!" It's time we lived in the real world.
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| February 15, 2017, 6:14 pm
Quoting I am Zangief, I am bad guy
I just want better censorship! Preferably a blank pic as the thumbnail, but I'll take anything better than those inadequate pixelizations

Here, Here! I wish I did actually have a safe haven on the internet, one where I could breathe a sigh of relief and feel safe when I got on it. They are sure hard to come by these days...
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| February 15, 2017, 6:22 pm
I have nothing against Brick Noir, or how he chooses to spend his time. I have nothing against porn or art or anything else. My problem is that I have no choice whether or not my kid sees lego-porn images of naked-lady butts on the MOC-pages load screen. When did anyone on this thread call for Brick Noir to be banned? Just make the thunbnails less obvious or black them out, or prevent so-called "mature" MOCs from appearing on peoples load screen unless they opt-in for it. And please calm down people. I don't want you to hurt yourself by over contorting with rage.
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| February 15, 2017, 6:32 pm
Quoting Tristan .
Says the guy who implied, with the subtlety of a steel chair to the head, that Bricks Noir is trying to corrupt children with LEGO "porn". At least own up to your own arguments, you troglodyte.


Woah, woah, calm down. Name-calling doesn't help anything!
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| February 15, 2017, 6:53 pm
It really isn't that hard to ignore the bricks noir builds if you don't like them. They have the parental warning thing. Besides, he's far more skilled with bricks than you guys so you should kinda be glad he's here producing good art, whether you like the theme or not.
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| February 15, 2017, 7:26 pm
Quoting jonnylegoboy911 .
It really isn't that hard to ignore the bricks noir builds if you don't like them. They have the parental warning thing. Besides, he's far more skilled with bricks than you guys so you should kinda be glad he's here producing good art, whether you like the theme or not.


So all this really boils down to whether or not one thinks it's morally okay to build stuff depicting that. I'm of the opinion it's not...but many others think differently, and that's okay too.



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| February 15, 2017, 7:36 pm
Quoting Tristan .
Sorry, not sorry. I'm fed up with children trying to stifle art, not to mention Unknown Jedi's demands for a fundamental change to the site's functionality (considering that Sean hasn't cared in a while, it's a lot more than a big ask. It's far too much to ask.) just so that his tender sensibilities can find a happy little echo chamber safe-space. And the unfounded pedophilia accusations just added fuel to the fire. It's deplorable, entitled, and bratty behavior.


Well, there are many KFOL's on this website, and I don't think it's appropriate for them to see even the blurred cover image of Noir's stuff. It's fine for teens, much worse is in movies we watch, but not for the kids on here. Just my opinion of course. I don't think you should pick on Unkown Jedi like that, and I'll be praying for you!


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| February 15, 2017, 7:39 pm
Quoting Tristan .
This is in response to the "moral debate" over whether it's right or wrong to build LEGO mosaics of naked women. News flash: it doesn't matter whether it's morally right or wrong. Disagree with it all you like, but every time you try to do something about it, you fail miserably. Bricks Noir won't go away, no matter how loudly and fanatically you disagree with his content. Escalating it like Unknown Jedi did via his frankly low accusations doesn't do you any good. Either learn to ignore it or go make your own little safe-space website and see how far you get.


Okay, I wasn't loudly or fanatically disagreeing with anybody. Just calmly stating how I stand on it. Thank you for doing the same.

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| February 15, 2017, 7:47 pm
Tristan just fails to see the point I was making. Putting kids toys together with soft-core porn on the same web-page looks bad. He prefers the straw-man argument to actually understanding both sides and having a serious discussion.
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| February 15, 2017, 8:18 pm
LEGO mosaics exist. They are no less considerable as "art" than real mosaics. These topics show up in art. Guess what? His content is considered art by the sheer level of skill that goes into it.

I'm not here to agree with what he does, but I think "wanting him gone" or anything like that is absolutely insane on the part of anybody except an immature child who wants the world to obey their guidelines - and it doesn't work like that.

I think it's reasonable to want a slight modification to the site that blocks out anything with the Parental Warning filter. Anything else is starting to get into art suppression territory, and that's not what this site is interested in, from what I can tell.

Naturally, however, I don't speak for MOCpages. This is just my input because I heard about the conversation through the pipeline.
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| February 15, 2017, 8:22 pm
This has gone on too far. Here is what I propose. Bricksnoir's work isn't kid friendly. That we can agree upon. When he posts his creations he has used a variety of photo editing stuff to block out the not kid friendly stuff, and presumably has the unedited version in the post. The problem that many are having is that the level of coverage in the title picture is gradually decreasing, from a solid color background to black boxes covering the bad stuff to pixilation. What the other side says about art and creative freedom is valid, but so is the first side's disgust at it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have just a right to say I don't like this piece of art as some has to say that they do. Something being art doesn't make it good or bad, it's up to the viewers to determine that for themselves. Now, as for what the other side said about not looking at it if you don't like it. I agree with that, that's a valid point, but the root problem is the decrease of censorship, in the title photo, the people who don't want to see that stuff are seeing it. For my final thoughts, I disagree with what Bricksnoir makes. I believe it to be wrong and unjust, but I understand the creative freedom of mocpages, so I don't want or expect Bricksnoir to be banned, I will propose that he should return to either the black-boxes or the solid background for his title picture. That way the people who don't want to see that, won't, and the people who view it as art can still see it. Lastly, please no angry comments to this. I've tried to come up with a solution that will appease everyone, backed up with the view-points of both sides.
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| February 15, 2017, 8:36 pm
Quoting Jonathan Demers

So all this really boils down to whether or not one thinks it's morally okay to build stuff depicting that. I'm of the opinion it's not...but many others think differently, and that's okay too.




depends on the context. And many numerous factors.
For example, if I am a hairy, 50 year old fat man who likes to build naked laygoez so I can meet kids who I happen to be rather fond of touching, that's bad. But if I am a man blessed with a special gift for lego building and enjoy to capture the beauty of the female form in my artwork, maybe not so bad.
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| February 15, 2017, 8:42 pm
Wow, this guy sure is triggered!
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| February 15, 2017, 9:30 pm
Quoting Unknown Jedi
Wow, this guy sure is triggered!

Real thought out response. For someone who claims he has kids and is a legal adult from how you apparently can remember things from the 80s, you really are acting childishly.
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| February 15, 2017, 9:41 pm
In the words of Mark Kelso, the dead horse has been beaten to mush. Despite the number of comments and arguments, in the end the opinions of the writers are more or less unchanged. The admins have spoken with Sean and Bricks due to previous concerns. (read it here http://www.moc-pages.com/group_conversation.php?id=2600&topicid=105288). If pretty sure the questions have already been answered several times over, so continuing the argument really isn't worth it. Can we please just agree to disagree for once and move on from the pile of dead-mush horses? Please?
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| February 15, 2017, 9:41 pm
My activity feed is going nuts! And with this topic I don't want to see. I enjoy having the Mocpages Help Forum as one of my groups to see if new updates and similar problems being discussed. But this one topic has gone on too long, it would be fantastic if moderators lock the topic or something? Create a debate group or something. I respect everyone who is trying to express their opinion, but this is crazy.
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| February 15, 2017, 9:56 pm
*sigh*

So I was informed a few days ago of the advent of this thread's existence and I shrugged it off, resigning to sitting on the fence and biting my tongue.

Bad news, I have recently bit through my tongue and the pain is worse then expected, so here we go.

As a personally very religious and somewhat prude person myself, I can understand why there is a bit of a stir about this, and a demand for better censorship. If you would like Bricks Noir to censor himself to your liking, tell him as much. But I have a few words of wisdom to bless some of you involved with.

Life does not always go your way, not everyone conforms to your opinion and worldviews. Sometimes you do need to back up, bite your tongue and admit that you messed up. Sometimes stepping off the high horse and then killing the pitiful creature is the best way to realize the absurdity of your claims and actions.

I am not a personal fan of Bricks Noir's artwork, as it does not fit my own tastes..so I ignore it. I use the tools given to me to make my own viewing experience a better time for myself. Could MOCpages stand to have a more thorough censorship feature? Yes. But will MOCpages ever get that? I will bet money on no being the answer.

I would never expect anyone to go out of their way to make me feel more comfortable outside the range of common decency, and I honestly hope you all feel the same.

Now to address a few claims and questions raised from this entire situation.

"I want to take a screenshot of my MOC making it front page, but Noir's art would end up in the photo and seeing as I do not enjoy the contents and subject matter it causes an issue"

Literally any photo-editing software would fix your problem in no time.

"I don't want my children to see it"

Then personally ask Noir to step up his censorship, and if he inclines to do so...GREAT! You are making progress! If that is not the case, then just deal with it and explain to your child that you do not approve of the content and instruct them to avoid it...or just don't let them on MOCpages, simple as that.


"I don't like it being on the front page"

Nothing you can do there, just bite your lip and deal with it.

"He does not deserve to be there"

He does, he made art and worked to have it featured. You just don't like it being there.

"He's a pedophile"

You have no evidence to back these claims, and the fact you actually thought them up is so drastic and sudden it gave me whiplash. He makes art you do not enjoy, that does not under most circumstances make him a pedophile, get over yourself.


And yes, these horses have been beaten to a bloody mush and their eternal torment is only prolonged by those too selfish to get over themselves or find a civil way to fix their problems like mature human beings.


RT~

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| February 15, 2017, 9:56 pm
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
*sigh*

So I was informed a few days ago of the advent of this thread's existence and I shrugged it off, resigning to sitting on the fence and biting my tongue.

Bad news, I have recently bit through my tongue and the pain is worse then expected, so here we go.

As a personally very religious and somewhat prude person myself, I can understand why there is a bit of a stir about this, and a demand for better censorship. If you would like Bricks Noir to censor himself to your liking, tell him as much. But I have a few words of wisdom to bless some of you involved with.

Life does not always go your way, not everyone conforms to your opinion and worldviews. Sometimes you do need to back up, bite your tongue and admit that you messed up. Sometimes stepping off the high horse and then killing the pitiful creature is the best way to realize the absurdity of your claims and actions.

I am not a personal fan of Bricks Noir's artwork, as it does not fit my own tastes..so I ignore it. I use the tools given to me to make my own viewing experience a better time for myself. Could MOCpages stand to have a more thorough censorship feature? Yes. But will MOCpages ever get that? I will bet money on no being the answer.

I would never expect anyone to go out of their way to make me feel more comfortable outside the range of common decency, and I honestly hope you all feel the same.

Now to address a few claims and questions raised from this entire situation.

"I want to take a screenshot of my MOC making it front page, but Noir's art would end up in the photo and seeing as I do not enjoy the contents and subject matter it causes an issue"

Literally any photo-editing software would fix your problem in no time.

"I don't want my children to see it"

Then personally ask Noir to step up his censorship, and if he inclines to do so...GREAT! You are making progress! If that is not the case, then just deal with it and explain to your child that you do not approve of the content and instruct them to avoid it...or just don't let them on MOCpages, simple as that.


"I don't like it being on the front page"

Nothing you can do there, just bite your lip and deal with it.

"He does not deserve to be there"

He does, he made art and worked to have it featured. You just don't like it being there.

"He's a pedophile"

You have no evidence to back these claims, and the fact you actually thought them up is so drastic and sudden it gave me whiplash. He makes art you do not enjoy, that does not under most circumstances make him a pedophile, get over yourself.


And yes, these horses have been beaten to a bloody mush and their eternal torment is only prolonged by those too selfish to get over themselves or find a civil way to fix their problems like mature human beings.


RT~
Well said mate.

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| February 15, 2017, 9:58 pm
Quoting Ekorak (Entropy)

I'm not here to agree with what he does, but I think "wanting him gone" or anything like that is absolutely insane on the part of anybody except an immature child who wants the world to obey their guidelines - and it doesn't work like that.

Naturally, however, I don't speak for MOCpages. This is just my input because I heard about the conversation through the pipeline.


Wait, did anyone actually say that they wanted Bricks Noir gone? Or are we all pulling at straws, basing it off of what 'you said that he said that this guy said that that guy said that he said...' ?

I don't think anyone wanted him gone, and I also feel that there have been many over assumptions.



Quoting Ekorak (Entropy) You are good at looking at things the ethically fair way.

Traykyar The Swift You are the best moderator this group has ever seen.

jonnylegoboy911 You are good at seeing the different possibilities of an action

Unknown Jedi You are good at defending your values, and a firm believer in that.

Tristan You know how to defend individual rights.

Jonathan Demers You are good at sensing the pains and frustrations of others.

Callum ~ You are good at helping others to see the world as it really is

Scotty Jones You are good at seeing the logical and simple way of things. We all need to be like that.

Sean /EMMSixteenA4 You are good at seeing what needs to be done for the immediate needs of the group as a whole.


Tucker Marley You are one of the happiest and easy going guys this group has ever seen. That's a good thing to have.

Shock TNC You are good at planning solutions to problems. You are always one step ahead, ready for each new event

andros tempest You know how to address questions and even unasked questions that would have risen up. You are a good leader.

James Douglas You are good at helping in every way you can. It is important to stop a problem before it happens, and you are doing that.

adam thelegofan rutland You are good at seeing the ethics involved in a situation.

Rove Random You are good at seeing a quick, and final solution to every problem.

Wertman 8 You are good at seeing what outsiders would see, and understand what it would mean to them

I am Zangief, I am bad guy You are good at making ideas for small, not drastic and overpowering changes. You know how to solve a problem without getting too involved in it.

MCLegoboy ! You know how to identify value over personal views.

Mark Kelso You are good at reminding everyone of the important things, even if you have to say it over and over again. You have patience

Declan Muller You are good at using examples to show an idea, or lesson.

Chris You know how to make changes but still recognize the effects of it. You know how to keep the important things intact.

Ron L. Mitchell You know when to move on, and you are good at making a fair point.

Zachary Baker You know where to find exterior information for when it could be most useful.

YOU GUYS, YOU'RE ALL SO TALENTED AND IMAGINATIVE... BUT YOU CAN'T WORK AS A TEAM. JUST IMAGINE WHAT YOU COULD DO IF YOU DID THAT! ...YOU COULD SAVE THE UNIVERSE!
-Emmet, from The LEGO Movie
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| February 15, 2017, 9:59 pm
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
*sigh*

So I was informed a few days ago of the advent of this thread's existence and I shrugged it off, resigning to sitting on the fence and biting my tongue.

Bad news, I have recently bit through my tongue and the pain is worse then expected, so here we go.

As a personally very religious and somewhat prude person myself, I can understand why there is a bit of a stir about this, and a demand for better censorship. If you would like Bricks Noir to censor himself to your liking, tell him as much. But I have a few words of wisdom to bless some of you involved with.

Life does not always go your way, not everyone conforms to your opinion and worldviews. Sometimes you do need to back up, bite your tongue and admit that you messed up. Sometimes stepping off the high horse and then killing the pitiful creature is the best way to realize the absurdity of your claims and actions.

I am not a personal fan of Bricks Noir's artwork, as it does not fit my own tastes..so I ignore it. I use the tools given to me to make my own viewing experience a better time for myself. Could MOCpages stand to have a more thorough censorship feature? Yes. But will MOCpages ever get that? I will bet money on no being the answer.

I would never expect anyone to go out of their way to make me feel more comfortable outside the range of common decency, and I honestly hope you all feel the same.

Now to address a few claims and questions raised from this entire situation.

"I want to take a screenshot of my MOC making it front page, but Noir's art would end up in the photo and seeing as I do not enjoy the contents and subject matter it causes an issue"

Literally any photo-editing software would fix your problem in no time.

"I don't want my children to see it"

Then personally ask Noir to step up his censorship, and if he inclines to do so...GREAT! You are making progress! If that is not the case, then just deal with it and explain to your child that you do not approve of the content and instruct them to avoid it...or just don't let them on MOCpages, simple as that.


"I don't like it being on the front page"

Nothing you can do there, just bite your lip and deal with it.

"He does not deserve to be there"

He does, he made art and worked to have it featured. You just don't like it being there.

"He's a pedophile"

You have no evidence to back these claims, and the fact you actually thought them up is so drastic and sudden it gave me whiplash. He makes art you do not enjoy, that does not under most circumstances make him a pedophile, get over yourself.


And yes, these horses have been beaten to a bloody mush and their eternal torment is only prolonged by those too selfish to get over themselves or find a civil way to fix their problems like mature human beings.


RT~

Bravo. That was way better than what I came up with.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:01 pm
Quoting lego hotwirer

Wait, did anyone actually say that they wanted Bricks Noir gone? Or are we all pulling at straws, basing it off of what 'you said that he said that this guy said that that guy said that he said...' ?

I don't think anyone wanted him gone, and I also feel that there have been many over assumptions.





That was also Great! thank you!
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| February 15, 2017, 10:03 pm
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
*sigh*

So I was informed a few days ago of the advent of this thread's existence and I shrugged it off, resigning to sitting on the fence and biting my tongue.

Bad news, I have recently bit through my tongue and the pain is worse then expected, so here we go.

As a personally very religious and somewhat prude person myself, I can understand why there is a bit of a stir about this, and a demand for better censorship. If you would like Bricks Noir to censor himself to your liking, tell him as much. But I have a few words of wisdom to bless some of you involved with.

Life does not always go your way, not everyone conforms to your opinion and worldviews. Sometimes you do need to back up, bite your tongue and admit that you messed up. Sometimes stepping off the high horse and then killing the pitiful creature is the best way to realize the absurdity of your claims and actions.

I am not a personal fan of Bricks Noir's artwork, as it does not fit my own tastes..so I ignore it. I use the tools given to me to make my own viewing experience a better time for myself. Could MOCpages stand to have a more thorough censorship feature? Yes. But will MOCpages ever get that? I will bet money on no being the answer.

I would never expect anyone to go out of their way to make me feel more comfortable outside the range of common decency, and I honestly hope you all feel the same.

Now to address a few claims and questions raised from this entire situation.

"I want to take a screenshot of my MOC making it front page, but Noir's art would end up in the photo and seeing as I do not enjoy the contents and subject matter it causes an issue"

Literally any photo-editing software would fix your problem in no time.

"I don't want my children to see it"

Then personally ask Noir to step up his censorship, and if he inclines to do so...GREAT! You are making progress! If that is not the case, then just deal with it and explain to your child that you do not approve of the content and instruct them to avoid it...or just don't let them on MOCpages, simple as that.


"I don't like it being on the front page"

Nothing you can do there, just bite your lip and deal with it.

"He does not deserve to be there"

He does, he made art and worked to have it featured. You just don't like it being there.

"He's a pedophile"

You have no evidence to back these claims, and the fact you actually thought them up is so drastic and sudden it gave me whiplash. He makes art you do not enjoy, that does not under most circumstances make him a pedophile, get over yourself.


And yes, these horses have been beaten to a bloody mush and their eternal torment is only prolonged by those too selfish to get over themselves or find a civil way to fix their problems like mature human beings.


RT~

Well said. This pretty much wraps things up.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:06 pm
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
*sigh*

So I was informed a few days ago of the advent of this thread's existence and I shrugged it off, resigning to sitting on the fence and biting my tongue.

Bad news, I have recently bit through my tongue and the pain is worse then expected, so here we go.

As a personally very religious and somewhat prude person myself, I can understand why there is a bit of a stir about this, and a demand for better censorship. If you would like Bricks Noir to censor himself to your liking, tell him as much. But I have a few words of wisdom to bless some of you involved with.

Life does not always go your way, not everyone conforms to your opinion and worldviews. Sometimes you do need to back up, bite your tongue and admit that you messed up. Sometimes stepping off the high horse and then killing the pitiful creature is the best way to realize the absurdity of your claims and actions.

I am not a personal fan of Bricks Noir's artwork, as it does not fit my own tastes..so I ignore it. I use the tools given to me to make my own viewing experience a better time for myself. Could MOCpages stand to have a more thorough censorship feature? Yes. But will MOCpages ever get that? I will bet money on no being the answer.

I would never expect anyone to go out of their way to make me feel more comfortable outside the range of common decency, and I honestly hope you all feel the same.

Now to address a few claims and questions raised from this entire situation.

"I want to take a screenshot of my MOC making it front page, but Noir's art would end up in the photo and seeing as I do not enjoy the contents and subject matter it causes an issue"

Literally any photo-editing software would fix your problem in no time.

"I don't want my children to see it"

Then personally ask Noir to step up his censorship, and if he inclines to do so...GREAT! You are making progress! If that is not the case, then just deal with it and explain to your child that you do not approve of the content and instruct them to avoid it...or just don't let them on MOCpages, simple as that.


"I don't like it being on the front page"

Nothing you can do there, just bite your lip and deal with it.

"He does not deserve to be there"

He does, he made art and worked to have it featured. You just don't like it being there.

"He's a pedophile"

You have no evidence to back these claims, and the fact you actually thought them up is so drastic and sudden it gave me whiplash. He makes art you do not enjoy, that does not under most circumstances make him a pedophile, get over yourself.


And yes, these horses have been beaten to a bloody mush and their eternal torment is only prolonged by those too selfish to get over themselves or find a civil way to fix their problems like mature human beings.


RT~

Dang. That was a good speech. (Antman reference. :P)

I've been trying to stay out of this too... but man, that was great Raptor.

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| February 15, 2017, 10:10 pm
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
*sigh*

So I was informed a few days ago of the advent of this thread's existence and I shrugged it off, resigning to sitting on the fence and biting my tongue.

Bad news, I have recently bit through my tongue and the pain is worse then expected, so here we go.

As a personally very religious and somewhat prude person myself, I can understand why there is a bit of a stir about this, and a demand for better censorship. If you would like Bricks Noir to censor himself to your liking, tell him as much. But I have a few words of wisdom to bless some of you involved with.

Life does not always go your way, not everyone conforms to your opinion and worldviews. Sometimes you do need to back up, bite your tongue and admit that you messed up. Sometimes stepping off the high horse and then killing the pitiful creature is the best way to realize the absurdity of your claims and actions.

I am not a personal fan of Bricks Noir's artwork, as it does not fit my own tastes..so I ignore it. I use the tools given to me to make my own viewing experience a better time for myself. Could MOCpages stand to have a more thorough censorship feature? Yes. But will MOCpages ever get that? I will bet money on no being the answer.

I would never expect anyone to go out of their way to make me feel more comfortable outside the range of common decency, and I honestly hope you all feel the same.

Now to address a few claims and questions raised from this entire situation.

"I want to take a screenshot of my MOC making it front page, but Noir's art would end up in the photo and seeing as I do not enjoy the contents and subject matter it causes an issue"

Literally any photo-editing software would fix your problem in no time.

"I don't want my children to see it"

Then personally ask Noir to step up his censorship, and if he inclines to do so...GREAT! You are making progress! If that is not the case, then just deal with it and explain to your child that you do not approve of the content and instruct them to avoid it...or just don't let them on MOCpages, simple as that.


"I don't like it being on the front page"

Nothing you can do there, just bite your lip and deal with it.

"He does not deserve to be there"

He does, he made art and worked to have it featured. You just don't like it being there.

"He's a pedophile"

You have no evidence to back these claims, and the fact you actually thought them up is so drastic and sudden it gave me whiplash. He makes art you do not enjoy, that does not under most circumstances make him a pedophile, get over yourself.


And yes, these horses have been beaten to a bloody mush and their eternal torment is only prolonged by those too selfish to get over themselves or find a civil way to fix their problems like mature human beings.


RT~

Well said, I concur...the horse is dead, long live the horse!

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| February 15, 2017, 10:11 pm
Quoting Ron L. Mitchell
Well said, I concur...the horse is dead, long live the horse!

No, please...let the horse die..
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| February 15, 2017, 10:13 pm
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
No, please...let the horse die..

The horse died 3 topics ago.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:14 pm
Quoting Callum ~
The horse died 3 topics ago.

Then by all means, let us bury this poor animal.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:15 pm
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
Then by all means, let us bury this poor animal.

Agreed. By this point, I reckon it'd fit in a shoebox!

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| February 15, 2017, 10:20 pm
Quoting Tristan .
Nice job dodging the legitimate counter-arguments leveled at you. The old "lol this guy is triggered, what a triggered guy, amirite?" response is a time-tested success when you have no legitimate response.

But I bet you didn't expect that "triggered" guy to shoot back.

You think you're so smart, so clever. "Uh-oh! Just got proven wrong... I guess I'll just try to discredit this guy by painting him up as an SJW, right? I couldn't be bothered to come up with a real response to him, like the adult I claim to be, so instead I'll just take the easy way out!"
The reality of the situation is this: your whining thread backfired. It blew up in your face, and now you can't decide whether you're going to stick to your guns and go down with the ship, or run away with your tail between your legs. It's quite the dilemma, I'm sure. I will admit - your "clever" little "triggered" comment got under my skin at first. But in the end, I know that you're trying to derail the thread, to distract people from the legitimate critique of your mentally deficient "points". So let's go over this again, shall we?

1: Unknown Jedi complains about Bricks Noir.
2: People alternatingly side with him and tell him to drop the subject.
3: Unknown Jedi attempts to fearmonger by dropping hints about a "media storm" and pedophilia, to try to get the majority to back him via the scare tactic of making them fear that they would be viewed as guilty by association.
4: I and a few others argue against Unknown Jedi's low strategy.
5: Unknown Jedi, seeing that he's beat, tries to shift the topic away from his own folly, to save face and give himself time to figure out a new argument.

Bravo, Unknown Jedi, bravo. Mods, please just lock this topic, before the intellectual stagnation virus mutates and begins to spread to the rest of us.


Hey Tristan, your Kariim creation is amazing! I just saw it, and had to let you know. I love his weapon! It looks sick!

What photo editing software do you use?
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| February 15, 2017, 10:20 pm
Yeah, a mod really needs to lock this topic. I've been trying to stay out of it, but some of the things posted in the past few hours just took this way too far. Sean and the mods have made their decision, and it's pointless to keep arguing about it!
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| February 15, 2017, 10:20 pm
Quoting Werewolff .
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
Then by all means, let us bury this poor animal.

Agreed. By this point, I reckon it'd fit in a shoebox!

Perfect size for burying it.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:20 pm
Quoting Tristan .
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
Then by all means, let us bury this poor animal.

I never thought I'd be this happy about a dead animal.

:D
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| February 15, 2017, 10:22 pm
What about the grave-stone?
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| February 15, 2017, 10:23 pm
I'd like to thank everyone involved in this, it's an annoyingly controversial topic, and we're all just trying to Solve it whatever way we can. So I concur, the horse is dead. Let it stay dead.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:23 pm
Quoting Traykar the swift
I'd like to thank everyone involved in this, it's an annoyingly controversial topic, and we're all just trying to Solve it whatever way we can. So I concur, the horse is dead. Let it stay dead.

Do you know why everyone keeps copying and pasting my comment?
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| February 15, 2017, 10:25 pm
Do you like jazz?
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| February 15, 2017, 10:25 pm
Do you like jazz?

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| February 15, 2017, 10:25 pm
Quoting lego hotwirer
Do you know why everyone keeps copying and pasting my comment?

no, not really. sorry.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:26 pm
Quoting Papa Haz
Do you like jazz?

I'm in a Jazz band, if you were asking me...
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| February 15, 2017, 10:26 pm
Quoting Tristan .
You like jazz?

what is going on? everyone is commenting too quickly...
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| February 15, 2017, 10:27 pm
Senile Screaching "DELET"
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| February 15, 2017, 10:28 pm
Do you know what a trap is?
This topic.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:29 pm
Quoting Anon Ymous
Senile Screaching "DELET"

Whaaa?
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| February 15, 2017, 10:29 pm
do you like trap girls?
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| February 15, 2017, 10:29 pm
Quoting RaptorTalon ~
Perfect size for burying it.

Indeed.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:29 pm
BRUH. These comments! My activity bar is going to die of over posting
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| February 15, 2017, 10:30 pm
So, what about the Jazz?
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| February 15, 2017, 10:30 pm
Quoting Chris .
BRUH. These comments! My activity bar is going to die of over posting

You and me both ey?
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| February 15, 2017, 10:31 pm
Quoting Chris .
BRUH. These comments! My activity bar is going to die of over posting

Well I get email notifications for every comment, so it's twice as bad. I wish someone would lock this thread finally.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:33 pm
Quoting Werewolff .
You and me both ey?

I've never seen so much conversation happening on Mocpages so fast in my entire life.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:33 pm
Here, Here! I wish I did actually have a safe haven on the internet, one where I could breathe a sigh of relief and feel safe when I got on it. They are sure hard to come by these days...


Help, I don't know how to activate airplane mode.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:33 pm
Quoting Classical Bricks
Well I get email notifications for every comment, so it's twice as bad. I wish someone would lock this thread finally.

You poor soul, I turned off my email notifications...
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| February 15, 2017, 10:34 pm
Quoting Tristan .
This thread really needs to die, yeah. It's a meme at this point.

It should have died with the horse.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:34 pm
Quoting Chris .
You poor soul, I turned off my email notifications...

Smart move
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| February 15, 2017, 10:35 pm
Quoting Chris .
BRUH. These comments! My activity bar is going to die of over posting


SAME!
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| February 15, 2017, 10:35 pm
I think we're currently averaging at around 1 comment per every 20-30 seconds
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| February 15, 2017, 10:36 pm
Well then, let it die with the horse! We just need to make sure the last comment is about the horse, that's all! Simple
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| February 15, 2017, 10:36 pm
I feel sorry for the people with email notifs.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:36 pm
Quoting Chris .
You poor soul, I turned off my email notifications...

I wouldn't know what's happening without them, so I can't ;-;
The spam is real
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| February 15, 2017, 10:36 pm
About the horse (now no one else comment)
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| February 15, 2017, 10:37 pm
simply just type every word of each sentence in a separate post :^)
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| February 15, 2017, 10:37 pm
Quoting Tucker Marley
I wouldn't know what's happening without them, so I can't ;-;
The spam is real

Same here, EVERYONE PLEASE STOP
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| February 15, 2017, 10:38 pm
Goodness knows how funny it is going to be when people we know who are not here see their activity bars full of notifications about comments happening in this group... :D
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| February 15, 2017, 10:39 pm
Quoting lego hotwirer
Goodness knows how funny it is going to be when people we know who are not here see their activity bars full of notifications about comments happening in this group... :D

finally some activity on mp, amirite?
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| February 15, 2017, 10:39 pm
Quoting lego hotwirer
Goodness knows how funny it is going to be when people we know who are not here see their activity bars full of notifications about comments happening in this group... :D


I know! We're done now...please stop commenting in this thread!
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| February 15, 2017, 10:40 pm
Quoting Papa Haz
finally some activity on mp, amirite?

truly
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| February 15, 2017, 10:41 pm
Goodness! -C3PO
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| February 15, 2017, 10:41 pm
Quoting Jonathan Demers

I know! We're done now...please stop commenting in this thread!

I agree, now let's all agree with this post by replying.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:42 pm
Quoting Jonathan Demers

I know! We're done now...please stop commenting in this thread!

I agree
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| February 15, 2017, 10:44 pm
You know, we have to end by talking about the horse, so... yea.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:46 pm
Last thing I'm gunna say(unless someone replies to this) but there's a brilliant side to this convo coming up. Mocpages is finally getting some action and conversation after a LONG time of inactivity.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:46 pm
Quoting lego hotwirer
You know, we have to end by talking about the horse, so... yea.

good idea
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| February 15, 2017, 10:47 pm
Quoting Chris .
Last thing I'm gunna say(unless someone replies to this) but there's a brilliant side to this convo coming up. Mocpages is finally getting some action and conversation after a LONG time of inactivity.

Yup. The horse will forever be in our memory. Goodnight to all that may be leaving.
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| February 15, 2017, 10:48 pm
Quoting lego hotwirer
Yup. The horse will forever be in our memory. Goodnight to all that may be leaving.

may its soul rest in peace
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| February 15, 2017, 10:49 pm
Quoting Tristan .
rip horse

why can't it be a cow, or a chicken?
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| February 15, 2017, 11:21 pm
Quoting lego hotwirer
Do you know why everyone keeps copying and pasting my comment?


lol, just lol
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| February 16, 2017, 4:39 am
this thread is leaking from the heavens
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| February 16, 2017, 4:40 am
Quoting jonnylegoboy911 .
this thread is leaking from the heavens

The last comment was meant to be about the horse, sooooo.....

Let's take a minuite to remember his 5 sisters, 3 brothers, mother, father, and any other extended family he may have, he will be missed sorely.

Amen.
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| February 16, 2017, 5:07 am
Guys. In the past I've been accused of being too reactionary and occasionally jumping to conclusions. As a consequence I've tried to be much more flexible in my approach to moderation.

But I've asked many times before that, with respect, we stay on topic.

Now I have to insist!

Unknown Jedi made a valid point and it isn't fair for people to try to brow beat him into silence. Bricks noir is aware of the rules, and aware of this discussion. I hope he keeps in mind the concerns of PARENTS in his choice of THUMBNAIL PREVIEWS.

Artistic freedom is integral to the values this website was set up by and if we loose our heads in debates about taste and censorship, we loose sight of the basic fact - what we see on the first page DOES reflect how people percieve us all.

I don't want a talented artist to censor his work, no more than I want buliies to intimidate someone who objects to that work. It isn't what this website, or THIS group should be about.

So can we draw a line under this for now? I know nothing has radically changed but the rules have been clarified and everyone given a chance to vent. But it's gone from digging to the core of the problem, to just being silly.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to reread the rules.


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| February 16, 2017, 7:58 am
Quoting andros tempest
Guys. In the past I've been accused of being too reactionary and occasionally jumping to conclusions. As a consequence I've tried to be much more flexible in my approach to moderation.

But I've asked many times before that, with respect, we stay on topic.

Now I have to insist!

Unknown Jedi made a valid point and it isn't fair for people to try to brow beat him into silence. Bricks noir is aware of the rules, and aware of this discussion. I hope he keeps in mind the concerns of PARENTS in his choice of THUMBNAIL PREVIEWS.

Artistic freedom is integral to the values this website was set up by and if we loose our heads in debates about taste and censorship, we loose sight of the basic fact - what we see on the first page DOES reflect how people percieve us all.

I don't want a talented artist to censor his work, no more than I want buliies to intimidate someone who objects to that work. It isn't what this website, or THIS group should be about.

So can we draw a line under this for now? I know nothing has radically changed but the rules have been clarified and everyone given a chance to vent. But it's gone from digging to the core of the problem, to just being silly.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to reread the rules.



I think i found a solution:
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| March 13, 2017, 12:06 pm
Quoting Shock TNC
Note: this "is" on topic as far as i can tell so im putting it here as it is the best place for it.

Eh, sounds to me more like advertising for yourself. Sure, it's related, but it is not for what this group is intended for. If you want to rally other people to join you over on YouTube (because YouTube is so safe) you should just gather your friends and others the old fashioned way by going door to door.
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| March 13, 2017, 9:58 pm
Quoting MCLegoboy !
Eh, sounds to me more like advertising for yourself. Sure, it's related, but it is not for what this group is intended for. If you want to rally other people to join you over on YouTube (because YouTube is so safe) you should just gather your friends and others the old fashioned way by going door to door.
yeah that's what i was afraid of, im not trying to advertise myself. Im trying to advertise a different venue for those of us who are having issues with mocpages, i may have come off a bit selfish in the way i said it but i didn't mean it that way at all. i honestly don't care if people check out my channel, i just don't want to see amazing builders stop posting their creations because of a issue here.

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| March 20, 2017, 1:04 pm
Quoting MCLegoboy !
Eh, sounds to me more like advertising for yourself. Sure, it's related, but it is not for what this group is intended for. If you want to rally other people to join you over on YouTube (because YouTube is so safe) you should just gather your friends and others the old fashioned way by going door to door.

I agree and have removed the offending post. It was clearly spam dressed as a suggestion, not acceptable at all.
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| March 20, 2017, 1:28 pm
Quoting Shock TNC

I think i found a solution:

Your solution was for people to leave, at which point you broke the rules by advertising your own web page on youtube. I've been more than tollerant of the debate here, but shameless self promotion is SPAM and not permitted.

You want to invite those who object to Brick Noir's work to join you on another forum start your own group and send everyone here who object personal invites to join THAT GROUP, but do not abuse my patience in THIS GROUP again.
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| March 20, 2017, 1:36 pm
Quoting andros tempest
Your solution was for people to leave, at which point you broke the rules by advertising your own web page on youtube. I've been more than tollerant of the debate here, but shameless self promotion is SPAM and not permitted.

You want to invite those who object to Brick Noir's work to join you on another forum start your own group and send everyone here who object personal invites to join THAT GROUP, but do not abuse my patience in THIS GROUP again.


Dude.... You know i wasn't braking the rules, and even if i was why would you care? you let people post porn on here everyday and don't bat an eye. you sir are not gonna push me around while you ignore basic humanity.
To harsh? good.

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| April 3, 2017, 11:22 am
I just sent this to Sean, please read it to the end before making assumptions.




Dear Sean,
If you actually see this: Recently there have been major disagreements on Mocpages concerning what should and shouldn't be allowed in Mocs. The problem has gotten to the point that the good community that use to exist is now gone, frankly i'm disappointed that you don't seem to care enough about it to do anything yourself. I, like many others are leaving Mocpages to venture into other types/forums of sharing. I know you may not understand why we care so much but i do know that we cant let that stop us from doing something about it. Many have just moved on but i refuse to let it go for one reason and one reason alone: Creativity; its always been a force for good. you cant stop it, even Hitler who is known as one of the worst mass murders in history was originally an artist in his youth.
What dose inappropriate images have to do with creativity ? well for one, when someone looks at porn they cant unsee it. It festers in the mind and if allowed to, becomes an addiction, and thats the issue. Addiction kills creativity like a parasite kills its host.
I know this for myself. I've struggled with an addiction to pornography for many years, and im only 16. The only ones who knew that where my parents and god. but this is to important, i have to say it. It roots in your mind like a weed and poisons everything. and the only hope i have to fight it is my god given talent for building and fixing. so when i see someone attack and corrupt the thing i hold most dear i cant look away i cant say no. I hope you read this and i hope you understand.


In good faith- Ethan.
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| April 3, 2017, 11:48 am
He cares. Look, debate over. Open your eyes.

More poeple, including all Four staff, are more then happy for bricks noir to keep building. Democracy has ruled you out. If there really was more then half of THE ENTIRITY OF MOCPAGES here, then I think this would have been passed ages ago. But it is a MINORITY who wants him gone. I personally disagree with some of his work, but seeing as he obviously cares about who sees it, with his PG filter and the like, I have ZERO problem with it. Have you met the guy? I've had a brief conversation with him on the pages, and, despite us insulting his work, he was more then happy to continue supporting our group, and is a very respectable fellow.

And by the way, check your definition of Porn. The rules allow NON SEXUAL nudity. His sexual work was banned. This stuff is FINE.

Look, I don't agree with this 100% myself, so don't call me a persecuter of children or something. But just let it lie. You are trying to impose your opinion on a majority who don't want it. To be honest, you still going on about this is what is making the poeple who dislike noir look bad. More of the community have been sent away by the fact that some poeple weren't allowing Mr. Noir to post then poeple who allow him to leave.

Sean is aware of the issue. He knows that majority wins. Why can't you accept this? Just drop it, like the rest of the anti-noir club have, please.

Don't you realise there's a reason why your the only one still arguing?
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| April 3, 2017, 12:06 pm
And by the way, I'm sorry to hear about your addiction problem.

But it is optional weather the kids look at it or not. I don't really like viewing some of his creations. So you know what I don't do?

I don't view them.

I should be a scientist with a brain like this, shouldn't I?
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| April 3, 2017, 12:08 pm
Quoting James Douglas
He cares. Look, debate over. Open your eyes.

More poeple, including all Four staff, are more then happy for bricks noir to keep building. Democracy has ruled you out. If there really was more then half of THE ENTIRITY OF MOCPAGES here, then I think this would have been passed ages ago. But it is a MINORITY who wants him gone. I personally disagree with some of his work, but seeing as he obviously cares about who sees it, with his PG filter and the like, I have ZERO problem with it. Have you met the guy? I've had a brief conversation with him on the pages, and, despite us insulting his work, he was more then happy to continue supporting our group, and is a very respectable fellow.

And by the way, check your definition of Porn. The rules allow NON SEXUAL nudity. His sexual work was banned. This stuff is FINE.

Look, I don't agree with this 100% myself, so don't call me a persecuter of children or something. But just let it lie. You are trying to impose your opinion on a majority who don't want it. To be honest, you still going on about this is what is making the poeple who dislike noir look bad. More of the community have been sent away by the fact that some poeple weren't allowing Mr. Noir to post then poeple who allow him to leave.

Sean is aware of the issue. He knows that majority wins. Why can't you accept this? Just drop it, like the rest of the anti-noir club have, please.

Don't you realise there's a reason why your the only one still arguing?
I cant drop it because i cant ignore my morality, if you have an issue with that then take it up with god.

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| April 3, 2017, 12:12 pm
Quoting James Douglas
And by the way, I'm sorry to hear about your addiction problem.

But it is optional weather the kids look at it or not. I don't really like viewing some of his creations. So you know what I don't do?

I don't view them.

I should be a scientist with a brain like this, shouldn't I?
Its not optional, porn is forced on kids all the time.

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| April 3, 2017, 12:13 pm
I am aware of the fact that this account is going to be banned, you cant attack the staff and get away with it. Thats fair. No i'm not going to make another wich im sure most will be glad to hear. this is my goodbye.

Adue. ShockTNC
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| April 3, 2017, 12:15 pm
Quoting Shock TNC
Quoting James Douglas
He cares. Look, debate over. Open your eyes.

More poeple, including all Four staff, are more then happy for bricks noir to keep building. Democracy has ruled you out. If there really was more then half of THE ENTIRITY OF MOCPAGES here, then I think this would have been passed ages ago. But it is a MINORITY who wants him gone. I personally disagree with some of his work, but seeing as he obviously cares about who sees it, with his PG filter and the like, I have ZERO problem with it. Have you met the guy? I've had a brief conversation with him on the pages, and, despite us insulting his work, he was more then happy to continue supporting our group, and is a very respectable fellow.

And by the way, check your definition of Porn. The rules allow NON SEXUAL nudity. His sexual work was banned. This stuff is FINE.

Look, I don't agree with this 100% myself, so don't call me a persecuter of children or something. But just let it lie. You are trying to impose your opinion on a majority who don't want it. To be honest, you still going on about this is what is making the poeple who dislike noir look bad. More of the community have been sent away by the fact that some poeple weren't allowing Mr. Noir to post then poeple who allow him to leave.

Sean is aware of the issue. He knows that majority wins. Why can't you accept this? Just drop it, like the rest of the anti-noir club have, please.

Don't you realise there's a reason why your the only one still arguing?
I cant drop it because i cant ignore my morality, if you have an issue with that then take it up with god.


1. Please don't bring religion into this. And don't guilt track me either, please.

2. I don't actully understand why your still going. Nothing is going to change, really.


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| April 3, 2017, 12:23 pm
Quoting Shock TNC
Quoting James Douglas
And by the way, I'm sorry to hear about your addiction problem.

But it is optional weather the kids look at it or not. I don't really like viewing some of his creations. So you know what I don't do?

I don't view them.

I should be a scientist with a brain like this, shouldn't I?
Its not optional, porn is forced on kids all the time.



It isin't though. This is not porn. It is non sexual. Thus not porn.

It isin't forced on poeple. If followed the MP rules. What children see is a picture of a LEGO woman with half of herself blacked out. If they choose to go further, their fault.

Ever been to the beach? Ever been to the swimming pool?
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| April 3, 2017, 12:25 pm
Quoting Shock TNC
I am aware of the fact that this account is going to be banned, you cant attack the staff and get away with it. Thats fair. No i'm not going to make another wich im sure most will be glad to hear. this is my goodbye.

Adue. ShockTNC
they won't ban you, you would just be invited to "time out"

And brining in religion, and trying to say your "making a sacrifice for your opinions" your really just painting yourself as a martyr..... Intentional or not.

Anyway, I shouldn't have responded in the firs tplace. Sorry guys!
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| April 3, 2017, 12:28 pm
I count this as the third time you have bumped this thread. Honestly, get over it.
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| April 3, 2017, 12:37 pm
Quoting Callum ~
I count this as the third time you have bumped this thread. Honestly, get over it.

Wait, who are you talking to? James, or ShockTNC?
(I assume you are talking to Shock. Also, don't count this a replying to the discussion, I was just wondering)
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| April 3, 2017, 12:49 pm
Quoting Shock TNC
A long comment just bringing attention to myself

Nice grammar. You might want to use Word and spellcheck your letters before sending them to the one man with the most authority on MOCpages.

Look man, you need to stop getting so worked up about it. I don't want to see you leave but everyone here is getting annoyed with how much you will not accept defeat, and if you are going to keep threatening to leave, then commit. We have given you proof directly from Sean himself that the works posted here have been in accordance with MOCpages' rules. I'm in agreement with you in the fact that these are not exactly appropriate for this site, but if they have been approved, then I'm done quarreling about them.

Stay, don't stay; noodle, don't noodle, but you are going to have to make use of some self control. You have every right to object to what some members post here, but when they have been shown to be acceptable under the rules of MOCpages, especially from the one that made the rules, you are fighting a losing battle. MOCpages is home to a lot of Christian and home-schooled kids, but it is not founded on being a site for that demographic. You need to be respectful of that, and I guarantee you will not be seeing much in what you want in other places on the Internet, and such requests and demands will easily be ignored.

Make your choice.

Now can we get someone here that can lock this topic?
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| April 3, 2017, 9:22 pm
Yes, PLEASE lock this!! I'm sick of this discussion as well!!
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| April 3, 2017, 10:02 pm
Quoting Shock TNC
I am aware of the fact that this account is going to be banned, you cant attack the staff and get away with it. Thats fair. No i'm not going to make another wich im sure most will be glad to hear. this is my goodbye.

Adue. ShockTNC



Shock. Firstly there has been a clear miscommunication here. You broke the group rules, not mocpages site rules. Your idea wasn't a bad idea, I just couldn't allow it to remain unedited in the discussion.

Had you followed my suggestion, you might actually have achieved something. I repeat, start your own group, invite those you know might be interested, and promote your alternatives there.

End of the day I do empathise with your personal problems. I had difficulties at 16 with obsessive behaviour, I still have issues with addiction. But I try not to project my problems on others. If I choose to give up smoking, or alcohol, I've no right to moralise the choices of those who continue. The same applies to your choice.

Yes it is criminal to expose underage children to explicit images, and if that were happening here I would not be silient either. But artistic nudes are not explicit.

I feel a little sad that your need for validation led to such a public and prolonged exit. Especially considering there was never any danger you would be banned for one minor infraction.

Now please, can we just accept that the question was asked, answered and that, however unsatisfactory the result is, the topic is closed.

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| April 4, 2017, 10:31 am
Quoting andros tempest
Now please, can we just accept that the question was asked, answered and that, however unsatisfactory the result is, the topic is closed.

So do moderators still have the power to lock topics? I remember it got knocked out some time ago, but I can't remember if it is back. If you can, then I suggest you lock this topic, and if a new one ever comes up again, then you ask that Chris or Mark send them to time out. We can't keep beating this dead horse.
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| April 4, 2017, 10:41 am
Just tried, but the topic didn't lock. So sadly no, mods don't have powers to lock discussions. Which is unfortunate under the circumstances.
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| April 4, 2017, 11:09 am
I must say, his censorship is better.
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| April 4, 2017, 11:19 am
Quoting High Emperor Duckie
I must say, his censorship is better.


Indeed. The flower he used for one is both artistic, blends with the image better, rather then an animated balck square, and still does the job fine.
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| April 4, 2017, 11:42 am
Quoting Marley Mac
Wait, who are you talking to? James, or ShockTNC?
(I assume you are talking to Shock. Also, don't count this a replying to the discussion, I was just wondering)

Shock

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| April 4, 2017, 12:34 pm
Aw, you're leaving again Shock? I'll miss you bud. :(


(Yes, I'm trying to stay out of this whole blasted discussion, sorry.)
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| April 4, 2017, 12:40 pm
Clearly at this point there is no use continuing to debate/argue about this. Say what you want about me, i don't care. I am still going to hold to my Religion
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| April 4, 2017, 12:42 pm
Quoting Shock TNC
Clearly at this point there is no use continuing to debate/argue about this. Say what you want about me, i don't care. I am still going to hold to my Religion

I agree that what he posts is wrong, but I think that's a little rash.
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| April 4, 2017, 12:56 pm
Quoting Shock TNC
Clearly at this point there is no use continuing to debate/argue about this. Say what you want about me, i don't care. I am still going to hold to my Religion


Please don't attack your fellow christains. I'm actully a believer and the fact that you are insinuating that I don't hold my beliefs is very insulting.
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| April 4, 2017, 1:33 pm
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