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Hey! Definitely excited for this.

(First!!)
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| October 17, 2018, 1:50 pm
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Quoting DJ - Studios
Hey! Definitely excited for this.

(First!!)

haha! I still need to invite more people. ;)
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| October 17, 2018, 1:51 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
haha! I still need to invite more people. ;)

Yup, itíll be fun to see the group slowly fill up.

Let us hope the mighty Oliver Becker comes to destroy us all in the contest... I havenít seen him in quite awhile. :(
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| October 17, 2018, 1:54 pm
HECK yes!

So happy to see that this is happening! Canít wait to get building!
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| October 17, 2018, 1:56 pm
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Quoting Daniel H.
HECK yes!

So happy to see that this is happening! Canít wait to get building!

Yee haw! I can't wait to see what YOU build!
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| October 17, 2018, 2:12 pm
How will judging work this time around? Same way as last time I assume?
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| October 17, 2018, 2:13 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting DJ - Studios
How will judging work this time around? Same way as last time I assume?

Yeah. Same as last. If anyone wants to be a judge let me know.
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| October 17, 2018, 2:16 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Yeah. Same as last. If anyone wants to be a judge let me know.

Any requirements?
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| October 17, 2018, 2:35 pm
This looks fun! Can't wait.
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| October 17, 2018, 2:38 pm
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Quoting Guy Pearson
This looks fun! Can't wait.

:D
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| October 17, 2018, 2:42 pm
Iím excited for this to start! I suggest that you post a link to this contest on the ďAnnounce Your ContestĒ group. It will probably bring in more contestants.
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| October 17, 2018, 3:33 pm
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Quoting Vitruvius Mint
Iím excited for this to start! I suggest that you post a link to this contest on the ďAnnounce Your ContestĒ group. It will probably bring in more contestants.

Will do.
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| October 17, 2018, 3:37 pm
 Group moderator 
My PC is dead (Hence why I haven't uploaded anything in forever) so rather than be a builder I'll just cheer on from the sidelines...
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| October 17, 2018, 3:50 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting killswitch95 (Last Name is Dank AF)
My PC is dead (Hence why I haven't uploaded anything in forever) so rather than be a builder I'll just cheer on from the sidelines...

Or you could judge... ;)
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| October 17, 2018, 4:04 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Or you could judge... ;)

^^^^^
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| October 17, 2018, 4:28 pm
Has round one started? :o
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| October 17, 2018, 5:14 pm
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Quoting Daniel H.
Has round one started? :o

Yes, sorry for not clarifying.
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| October 17, 2018, 5:56 pm
Yey!
This'll be fun
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| October 17, 2018, 6:41 pm
Quoting MCLegoboy !
Dude, I need this. While I am trying to build something more than eight pieces, I've been feeling bad I haven't been posting anything lately.

Same
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| October 17, 2018, 6:44 pm
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Quoting MCLegoboy !
Dude, I need this. While I am trying to build something more than eight pieces, I've been feeling bad I haven't been posting anything lately.

Haha. Let's make it better than last time. If there's anything that isn't clear let me know.
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| October 17, 2018, 7:04 pm
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Quoting Meepinater C.
Yey!
This'll be fun

:D
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| October 17, 2018, 7:05 pm
If I use a minifig arm that has a hand attached, is that one or two pieces?
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| October 17, 2018, 7:12 pm
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Quoting DJ - Studios
If I use a minifig arm that has a hand attached, is that one or two pieces?

You know, this has been a constant problem. I can't name every piece in the entire LEGO Inventory, so we'll have to decide each time this comes up.

I would say no, just because so many people have used arms, hands, etc individually. If anyone objects let me know.

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| October 17, 2018, 7:20 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
You know, this has been a constant problem. I can't name every piece in the entire LEGO Inventory, so we'll have to decide each time this comes up.

I would say no, just because so many people have used arms, hands, etc individually. If anyone objects let me know.

Yeah, I was looking back through the old groups and couldnít find an exact answer.

Also, no to that its one piece? Or two?
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| October 17, 2018, 7:22 pm
So is there a certain theme to Round One, or is it freebuild?
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| October 17, 2018, 7:30 pm
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Quoting Meepinater C.
So is there a certain theme to Round One, or is it freebuild?

Freebuild baby!
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| October 17, 2018, 7:32 pm
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Quoting DJ - Studios
Yeah, I was looking back through the old groups and couldnít find an exact answer.

Also, no to that its one piece? Or two?
No to it being two pieces.
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| October 17, 2018, 7:32 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Freebuild baby!

Oof.

That's gonna make it hard to find out what to build.
I'll just sift through my legos and try to find... well, something.
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| October 17, 2018, 7:37 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Quoting DJ - Studios
Yeah, I was looking back through the old groups and couldnít find an exact answer.

Also, no to that its one piece? Or two?
No to it being two pieces.

Sweeeeet.

My entry is almost done then.
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| October 17, 2018, 7:46 pm
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Quoting Lo var Lachland
Or you could judge... ;)
I meaaaaan I'm fine with that if you are...

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| October 17, 2018, 8:11 pm
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Quoting DJ - Studios
Sweeeeet.

My entry is almost done then.

All-freaking-ready?
Awesome!

^-^
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| October 17, 2018, 8:50 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
All-freaking-ready?
Awesome!

^-^

It was one of the rare moments where the parts actually inspired me lol.
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| October 17, 2018, 8:56 pm
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Quoting DJ - Studios
It was one of the rare moments where the parts actually inspired me lol.

Hah!
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| October 17, 2018, 9:07 pm
Is it OK for me to post something I made last year but never put up online?
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| October 17, 2018, 9:13 pm
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Quoting Toa Jaton
Is it OK for me to post something I made last year but never put up online?

Hmm. That's a touch choice.

I would say yes. If no one on here has seen it then you're good.
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| October 17, 2018, 9:18 pm
Yay! A competition! I'm excited for this!
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| October 17, 2018, 9:48 pm
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Quoting Ty Ro
Yay! A competition! I'm excited for this!

I'm excited too!
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| October 17, 2018, 10:02 pm
Thanks for invitation! Iīm excited :)
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| October 18, 2018, 9:40 am
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Quoting LegoPredator !
Thanks for invitation! Iīm excited :)

Sure! I always invite anyone from last year. ;)
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| October 18, 2018, 12:25 pm
Welcom Nick! Glad (And slightly afraid) to see that you are hopefully going to be joining this!


Dang, last time we interacted was probably DA3. That was a sad display on my part.
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| October 18, 2018, 1:03 pm
Hey BATOH! Glad you could join us. :D

It seems we have a good amount of tank builders here..
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| October 18, 2018, 1:08 pm
thanks for the invitation guys! I am very busy ... work, family ... but I hope to be able to participate with some dignified creation. ;)
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| October 18, 2018, 1:11 pm
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Quoting DJ - Studios
Hey BATOH! Glad you could join us. :D

It seems we have a good amount of tank builders here..

I build 'em too, but I don't post to MOCpages anymore.
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| October 18, 2018, 1:18 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
I build 'em too, but I don't post to MOCpages anymore.

Ah, cool. To bad you donít post anymore. :(
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| October 18, 2018, 1:21 pm
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Quoting DJ - Studios
Ah, cool. To bad you donít post anymore. :(

Yeah.
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| October 18, 2018, 1:22 pm
My entry is on its way!

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| October 18, 2018, 11:34 pm
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Quoting DJ - Studios
My entry is on its way!

Awesome! Iím on my phone and itís 12:45 right now but Iíll do my best to make a judges Lounge.
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| October 19, 2018, 12:44 am
This may give away my idea but do we have to use system parts?
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| October 19, 2018, 3:24 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Ivan Wanderer of the wasteland
This may give away my idea but do we have to use system parts?

Negative. ANY eight Lego pieces.
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| October 19, 2018, 9:20 am
 Group admin 
Quoting MCLegoboy !
Small Rahi?

O.o
What?
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| October 19, 2018, 11:37 am
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Quoting MCLegoboy !
That's what animals are called in Bionicle.

Aha.
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| October 19, 2018, 11:44 am
Now that my other project is done...

*rubs hands together*

Time to build.
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| October 19, 2018, 11:55 am
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Quoting Daniel H.
Now that my other project is done...

*rubs hands together*

Time to build.

*Laughs manically*
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| October 19, 2018, 12:01 pm
Quoting DJ - Studios
Welcom Nick! Glad (And slightly afraid) to see that you are hopefully going to be joining this!


Dang, last time we interacted was probably DA3. That was a sad display on my part.

Hi DJ, good to be here. Managed to throw something together too.
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| October 19, 2018, 3:32 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
Hi DJ, good to be here. Managed to throw something together too.

Excited to see it!

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| October 19, 2018, 3:47 pm
SOME CONCERNING NEWS!!!


Somebody removed me from the group recently. I don't know why. I might be getting hacked again.

Or somebody in charge here really doesn't like me, although I don't know why.

Or somebody that doesn't like me hacked the group. Again, don't know why.
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| October 19, 2018, 7:26 pm
Quoting MCLegoboy !
SOME CONCERNING NEWS!!!


Somebody removed me from the group recently. I don't know why. I might be getting hacked again.

Or somebody in charge here really doesn't like me, although I don't know why.

Or somebody that doesn't like me hacked the group. Again, don't know why.

Uh oh... thatís not good.

Maybe someone fat thumbed you? Itís pretty easy with promote/remove/ban all side by side.
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| October 19, 2018, 7:49 pm
Super excited to take part in this again! I think once I get to 200 followers on Flickr, I might run a contest similar to this over there. No one can deny it, Mocpages is going dead, and way more people would do it over on Flickr and it would be a blast. :-D
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| October 19, 2018, 7:54 pm
Now to try and think of what to build...
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| October 19, 2018, 7:54 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting MCLegoboy !
SOME CONCERNING NEWS!!!


Somebody removed me from the group recently. I don't know why. I might be getting hacked again.

Or somebody in charge here really doesn't like me, although I don't know why.

Or somebody that doesn't like me hacked the group. Again, don't know why.
Well I didn't do it. Can Mods remove people from groups?

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| October 19, 2018, 8:07 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Quoting MCLegoboy !
SOME CONCERNING NEWS!!!


Somebody removed me from the group recently. I don't know why. I might be getting hacked again.

Or somebody in charge here really doesn't like me, although I don't know why.

Or somebody that doesn't like me hacked the group. Again, don't know why.
Well I didn't do it. Can Mods remove people from groups?

I checked a group I was in as a Moderator, and no, they can't. So that debunks that theory.
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| October 19, 2018, 8:47 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting MCLegoboy !
I checked a group I was in as a Moderator, and no, they can't. So that debunks that theory.

Well I would say that you got hacked again then. Dude that sucks.
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| October 19, 2018, 8:58 pm
 Group admin 
Sven you're an admin 'cause I know I can trust you if I'm away. I will be very busy in the next few days and if there is anything that happens here you can take care of it.
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| October 19, 2018, 9:11 pm
Thanks so much for the invitation, Lo! Great you've done it this year too, also the conditions maybe seem not the best! But i'm an optimist... 8) I'm glad "good ol' times" seem to come back here again... ;) ? Hope, the young folks join and have FUN! Also it would be nice, if interferations of "some ungentle people" will be absent! Greets to all contestants and those who join as visitors! Cheers!
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| October 19, 2018, 9:48 pm
I have a few questions about the contest:
1) How are creations judged/scored and would points be accumulative?
2)What kind of props can be used?

Thanks in advance!
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| October 19, 2018, 9:56 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Ty Ro
I have a few questions about the contest:
1) How are creations judged/scored and would points be accumulative?
2)What kind of props can be used?

Thanks in advance!

Creations are scored on a simple 1/10 system with comments for each build given by the judge.

Any prop can be used as long as you say that it IS A PROP and is not included in the 8 part count.
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| October 19, 2018, 10:03 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Creations are scored on a simple 1/10 system with comments for each build given by the judge.

Any prop can be used as long as you say that it IS A PROP and is not included in the 8 part count.

Thank you!
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| October 19, 2018, 10:14 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Creations are scored on a simple 1/10 system with comments for each build given by the judge.

Any prop can be used as long as you say that it IS A PROP and is not included in the 8 part count.

Oh, one more query: is it elimination to determine who ultimately moves to a final or some other format?
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| October 19, 2018, 10:23 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Oliver Becker
Thanks so much for the invitation, Lo! Great you've done it this year too, also the conditions maybe seem not the best! But i'm an optimist... 8) I'm glad "good ol' times" seem to come back here again... ;) ? Hope, the young folks join and have FUN! Also it would be nice, if interferations of "some ungentle people" will be absent! Greets to all contestants and those who join as visitors! Cheers!

Thanks for joining Oliver! I hope to keep this challenge going as long as I can. :D
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| October 19, 2018, 10:29 pm
Quoting Ty S.
Super excited to take part in this again! I think once I get to 200 followers on Flickr, I might run a contest similar to this over there. No one can deny it, Mocpages is going dead, and way more people would do it over on Flickr and it would be a blast. :-D

Hey, man! Where ya been?
You've missed a lot over here.

Oh yeah and I can't get flickr.
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| October 20, 2018, 12:24 am
I believe my entry is complete...!

It should be up within a day or two. Maybe three.
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| October 20, 2018, 1:23 am
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Quoting Daniel H.
I believe my entry is complete...!

It should be up within a day or two. Maybe three.

Awesome! I'm..Going to go get sleep now. It's 2:30 AM.
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| October 20, 2018, 2:28 am
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Awesome! I'm..Going to go get sleep now. It's 2:30 AM.

Yikes!

Iím going to bed too... Nearly 12am on a school night. Gínight!
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| October 20, 2018, 2:44 am
Quoting Ty Ro
Oh, one more query: is it elimination to determine who ultimately moves to a final or some other format?

From my experience with last year, it was three freebuild rounds. You could participate in as many or as few as you liked. You could build in Round 2 even if you missed Round 1, and you could build in Rounds 1 and 3 and skip 2. There was a winner from each round, and then they were entered into a head-to-head-to-head to determine 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Place. It may be different this year, I don't know, but still try to just focus on Round 1 for now. If you think you won't have the time to build in multiple rounds, believe me, you have the time. Not every build will be great, but eight pieces is eight pieces, sometimes all you have to do is slap them together.
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| October 20, 2018, 7:04 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Sven you're an admin 'cause I know I can trust you if I'm away. I will be very busy in the next few days and if there is anything that happens here you can take care of it.

I really hope that I can do my job very well cause I'm pretty busy (but able to take a daily look) too. Thank you very much for your kind words. Much appreciated. And yes, you can trust me for sure :)
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| October 20, 2018, 9:23 am
 Group admin 
Quoting MCLegoboy !
SOME CONCERNING NEWS!!!


Somebody removed me from the group recently. I don't know why. I might be getting hacked again.

Or somebody in charge here really doesn't like me, although I don't know why.

Or somebody that doesn't like me hacked the group. Again, don't know why.

It wasn't me for sure :)
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| October 20, 2018, 9:26 am
Yey
I have my first entry built! I'll try to post it later today.
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| October 20, 2018, 11:51 am
 Group admin 
Only a week left for round one submissions!
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| October 20, 2018, 12:24 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting MCLegoboy !

MC Nailed it on the round system.That's how it works. :)
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| October 20, 2018, 12:25 pm
Hey, there's a lot of the ol' Hidden gang here! :D

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| October 20, 2018, 1:05 pm
 Group admin 
Quoting Daniel H.
Hey, there's a lot of the ol' Hidden gang here! :D

Yep!
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| October 20, 2018, 1:45 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Hey, there's a lot of the ol' Hidden gang here! :D

However will the DAS keep any sort of order ? :-)
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| October 20, 2018, 2:50 pm
Quoting Nick Barrett
However will the DAS keep any sort of order ? :-)

Hehe, I donít know, will you? ;)
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| October 20, 2018, 3:36 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Hehe, I donít know, will you? ;)

I actually forgot that Nick was ever DAS. But I remember now, he became DAS after we destroyed him and Norp :D
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| October 20, 2018, 4:21 pm
Heyo.


Never try making lego tutorials in LDD from scratch.

Make the videos in person, first.
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| October 20, 2018, 4:47 pm
Quoting MCLegoboy !
From my experience with last year, it was three freebuild rounds. You could participate in as many or as few as you liked. You could build in Round 2 even if you missed Round 1, and you could build in Rounds 1 and 3 and skip 2. There was a winner from each round, and then they were entered into a head-to-head-to-head to determine 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Place. It may be different this year, I don't know, but still try to just focus on Round 1 for now. If you think you won't have the time to build in multiple rounds, believe me, you have the time. Not every build will be great, but eight pieces is eight pieces, sometimes all you have to do is slap them together.

Thanks MC! That really clarifies it for me!
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| October 20, 2018, 8:38 pm
I'm here and I got an entry coming right up
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| October 20, 2018, 11:00 pm
I'm gonna post my entry later today.
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| October 21, 2018, 11:58 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Jacob Moon's Mocs
I'm here and I got an entry coming right up

Awesome. I love your goat. Good luck.
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| October 21, 2018, 11:59 am
 Group admin 
Quoting Runkbolt 12
I'm gonna post my entry later today.

Sounds good.
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| October 21, 2018, 11:59 am
So, in the rounds section, you say that all builders are accepted for each round... but that excludes the winner of the previous round, correct?
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| October 21, 2018, 12:03 pm
 Group admin 
We made it on the Buzz! :D

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| October 21, 2018, 1:08 pm
 Group admin 
I still need judges guys! Three is a magic number, but for TEPBC we need more! :D
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| October 21, 2018, 2:26 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
I still need judges guys! Three is a magic number, but for TEPBC we need more! :D

More judges would be nice.

Another thought: May I suggest a less random approach to judging? (Do with my suggestion as you please, you're the judges, I'm just trying to be helpful)

In the past I saw ratings that went all over the place. This is the method I used to judge in the final round of TEPBC3:

1st impression - (1-10)
Use of color - (1-10)
Building technicality - (1-10)
Aesthetics (looks) - (1-10)
Functions - (1-10)
Realism - (1-10)
Fun - (1-10)
Emotion - (1-10)
Part usage - (1-10)
Originality - (1-10)
Total: (10-100) (just add the ratings above)

I think it would make the judging process fairer and help to avoid shared first places.
Yes, judging would take a few minutes more but I think a more balanced result is well worth it. Ideas?
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| October 21, 2018, 4:23 pm
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Quoting Luuk S

Yes, judging would take a few minutes more but I think a more balanced result is well worth it. Ideas?

Yes. This is a good idea and I accept it. 10/10 xD
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| October 21, 2018, 5:01 pm
Quoting Luuk S
More judges would be nice.

Another thought: May I suggest a less random approach to judging? (Do with my suggestion as you please, you're the judges, I'm just trying to be helpful)

In the past I saw ratings that went all over the place. This is the method I used to judge in the final round of TEPBC3:

1st impression - (1-10)
Use of color - (1-10)
Building technicality - (1-10)
Aesthetics (looks) - (1-10)
Functions - (1-10)
Realism - (1-10)
Fun - (1-10)
Emotion - (1-10)
Part usage - (1-10)
Originality - (1-10)
Total: (10-100) (just add the ratings above)

I think it would make the judging process fairer and help to avoid shared first places.
Yes, judging would take a few minutes more but I think a more balanced result is well worth it. Ideas?

Too many categories. Like, what am I supposed to do to separate half of these? They are too similar. Try three categories at most.
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| October 21, 2018, 5:33 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Yes. This is a good idea and I accept it. 10/10 xD

Well at least I don't have to judge using that format, that's too much with each of the categories crossing over on one another.
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| October 21, 2018, 5:34 pm
I wholeheartedly agree that there should be categories for judging, but I also agree that what Luuk listed are too many. I think, as MC has said, just a few categories would suffice.

Perhaps something along the lines of creativity, parts usage, and appearance.
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| October 21, 2018, 5:37 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
I wholeheartedly agree that there should be categories for judging, but I also agree that what Luuk listed are too many. I think, as MC has said, just a few categories would suffice.

Perhaps something along the lines of creativity, parts usage, and appearance.

Then again, creativity and parts usage are rather similar...

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| October 21, 2018, 5:39 pm
I got my entry up!
http://www.moc-pages.com/moc.php/449326
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| October 21, 2018, 7:13 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Then again, creativity and parts usage are rather similar...

Well creativity could apply to the name, photos, background, general idea of the moc...
parts usage is just what parts you use.
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| October 21, 2018, 7:14 pm
I would say this judging system could be good:

Appearance 0-5
Originality 0-5
Parts Usage 0-5

Total: 0-15

Should be self explanatory.

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| October 21, 2018, 7:26 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
We made it on the Buzz! :D

What's the Buzz?
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| October 21, 2018, 10:17 pm
Quoting Ty Ro
What's the Buzz?

you can find it here if you scroll down:
http://www.moc-pages.com/explore.php
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| October 21, 2018, 10:23 pm
Eyo! I had a thought...

Seeing as all manner of props are allowed, people can greatly add to their eight-piece build. Well, they can essentially add as much as they want.

So, I suggest that as well as requiring a picture of the eight pieces of the main build, that a picture of the entry without any props be required as well, so as to make it easier for the staff to judge the build by itself.

Just my two cents, I'd be glad to hear everyone else's opinions.
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| October 22, 2018, 1:52 am
Quoting Daniel H.
Eyo! I had a thought...

Seeing as all manner of props are allowed, people can greatly add to their eight-piece build. Well, they can essentially add as much as they want.

So, I suggest that as well as requiring a picture of the eight pieces of the main build, that a picture of the entry without any props be required as well, so as to make it easier for the staff to judge the build by itself.

Just my two cents, I'd be glad to hear everyone else's opinions.

That's a sensible idea BUT

This has a fairly informal vibe to it that doesn't need to get bogged down in rules and judging criteria etc simply because it should be obvious to even the most dim what is required. It becomes effectively self-policing.
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| October 22, 2018, 2:31 am
Quoting Daniel H.
Eyo! I had a thought...

Seeing as all manner of props are allowed, people can greatly add to their eight-piece build. Well, they can essentially add as much as they want.

So, I suggest that as well as requiring a picture of the eight pieces of the main build, that a picture of the entry without any props be required as well, so as to make it easier for the staff to judge the build by itself.

Just my two cents, I'd be glad to hear everyone else's opinions.


Yeah, I've seen a couple entries now that could theoretically be out of the running because they utilize more than 8 parts. I don't want to sabotage anyone but if you are using a base made out of LEGO, then it should count toward the build. There are also some parts that come preassembled such as minifig parts, but as soon as you separate even one component, all the components should become separate parts.

I know I have used more than what was needed for my winning build last year: http://www.moc-pages.com/moc.php/443428 to sell the idea more, but I made it 100% clear what my intentions were and I even stated that it might be controversial.

When I was judging the 15 part vehicle challenges there were a number of times where things got controversial because what counts as a singular piece if it comes preassembled, but then you have to take it apart? That controversy arose from Tom Remy's Air Baloon: http://www.moc-pages.com/moc.php/383800 with the Planet Hemispheres. Then it was said that the fire was the added bit (Except hot air balloons need fire to function, so...) And so the next year it was made clear that fire unless necessary was excused from parts lists. And this had always been a rule, but wheel assemblies counted as one piece because sometimes those things need 5 pieces and that shouldn't count toward the total 15 if 10 are just wheels, but then we got this entry that used nonwheel and tire components and grossly exaggerated the rules. Unfortunately, I can't find that build.

So when it comes to builds, I feel like backgrounds need to help convey a MOC, and if you can go brickless with them, the better. If you want grass, slip a piece of green construction paper underneath. If you want you build to be in the sky, use a light blue if you can. Or go the completely digital route and put in anything you want via movie magic and photo wizardry.

When if comes to making things appear to fly or be suspended in water or whatever, I am 100% down for any and all clear pieces to help support your build. But they cannot be essential, meaning if you use a clear 1x2 plate or a clear bar that things clip onto, it cannot hold your build together and removing it would cause it to fall apart.

Any additions composed of LEGO should be made clear what the intentions are and accept that there may be controversy because of it.

But at the same time, I am not a judge in this year's competition because I'd rather build. Of course, being a judge always gives you the opportunity to bend the rules because who cares, you can't win anyway. >:}
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| October 22, 2018, 4:34 am
Quoting DJ - Studios
I would say this judging system could be good:

Appearance 0-5
Originality 0-5
Parts Usage 0-5

Total: 0-15

Should be self explanatory.

This is a lot more like it.
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| October 22, 2018, 4:42 am
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Quoting DJ - Studios
I would say this judging system could be good:

Appearance 0-5
Originality 0-5
Parts Usage 0-5

Total: 0-15

Should be self explanatory.

I was never a judge and I'm still no judge here but I like this version cause less is sometimes more.
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| October 22, 2018, 12:09 pm
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Just a quick question Lo: What about using parts in LDD in not existing (in real bricks) colors?
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| October 22, 2018, 2:00 pm
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Quoting matt rowntRee
As someone who has run contests that allowed LDD, let me say that this qualifies as an unfair advantage. LDD users already have the advantage of having every piece at their disposal (Scala potty, for instance) and in every quantity. The only saving grace in comparison to builders that have massive stores at their fingertips is the color restriction. And with only 8 pieces to play with, color MUST play a massive part. Allowing colors that do not exist IRL is imbalanced and unfair.
But someone already made a LEM with Golden revolvers. If we want to implement this rule we will either have to do it next year or make it a rule for round II.

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| October 22, 2018, 9:03 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Quoting matt rowntRee
As someone who has run contests that allowed LDD, let me say that this qualifies as an unfair advantage. LDD users already have the advantage of having every piece at their disposal (Scala potty, for instance) and in every quantity. The only saving grace in comparison to builders that have massive stores at their fingertips is the color restriction. And with only 8 pieces to play with, color MUST play a massive part. Allowing colors that do not exist IRL is imbalanced and unfair.
But someone already made a LEM with Golden revolvers. If we want to implement this rule we will either have to do it next year or make it a rule for round II.

Iíd say in future rounds and years.
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| October 22, 2018, 9:15 pm
Quoting DJ - Studios
Iíd say in future rounds and years.

Yeah, I'd say LDD is EXTREMELY unfair, and since it IS only 8 pieces I'd say it would be fair if the people who put in LDD submissions to make them redo it.
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| October 22, 2018, 10:05 pm
Quoting Ivan Wanderer of the wasteland
Yeah, I'd say LDD is EXTREMELY unfair, and since it IS only 8 pieces I'd say it would be fair if the people who put in LDD submissions to make them redo it.

Well, thats a bit mean. Its fine this round.

LDD has its disadvantages, like my entry would be impossible in LDD.
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| October 22, 2018, 10:29 pm
Wow, just a few more days to jump in here, and how intimidating! The current builds are fabulous. Guess I'll give it a go, regardless, but won't be as inspired as my 2017 microscope, I think. Good luck, y'all!
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| October 22, 2018, 11:31 pm
Quoting Lolly var Lachland
Wow, just a few more days to jump in here, and how intimidating! The current builds are fabulous. Guess I'll give it a go, regardless, but won't be as inspired as my 2017 microscope, I think. Good luck, y'all!



p.s. I don't know how to build in LDD, and I only have the piles to physically dig through in our personal collection, so I'm not a big fan of competing against endless options in someone else's arsenal, but it's been done for four prior years, so if LDD is allowed, it seems IRL colors should be insisted on, at least.

Perhaps Year 6 will be a no-LDD challenge. Too late to close the barn door this year, since it wasn't established in the rules from the start?

Limitations make for incredible creative exploration, though, so I'm hoping for something fun to come of my own Big Dig.

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| October 22, 2018, 11:35 pm
Quoting matt rowntRee
As someone who has run contests that allowed LDD, let me say that this qualifies as an unfair advantage. LDD users already have the advantage of having every piece at their disposal (Scala potty, for instance) and in every quantity. The only saving grace in comparison to builders that have massive stores at their fingertips is the color restriction. And with only 8 pieces to play with, color MUST play a massive part. Allowing colors that do not exist IRL is imbalanced and unfair.

Highly disputed assertions. ESPECIALLY applicable to the 8-part limit. Look how much work has been done in the past years with atypical ways of connecting parts that are impossible in LDD.
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| October 23, 2018, 4:38 am
Quoting Lolly var Lachland


p.s. I don't know how to build in LDD, and I only have the piles to physically dig through in our personal collection, so I'm not a big fan of competing against endless options in someone else's arsenal, but it's been done for four prior years, so if LDD is allowed, it seems IRL colors should be insisted on, at least.

Perhaps Year 6 will be a no-LDD challenge. Too late to close the barn door this year, since it wasn't established in the rules from the start?

Limitations make for incredible creative exploration, though, so I'm hoping for something fun to come of my own Big Dig.

No-LDD? Maybe it's better not to invite anyone. :)
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| October 23, 2018, 4:41 am
In defense of the digital people.

We have rules against nonpurist techniques such as cutting pieces and using non-LEGO additions, right? But what if someone painted their parts? It is still LEGO, even though they are a different color from what they originally were. I'm not saying it's right, but if someone REALLY wanted to, they could not build digitally and just recolor their parts. OR better yet, digitally recolor them. If you are really good at PhotoShop, you can make anything any color you want and nobody would be the wiser unless they had a really great memory of what parts existed in what colors. The revolvers stood out as obvious to me because they were from Lone Ranger and only came in some shade of silver as far as I am aware, but what about the 1x1 with 4 studs? That comes in a bunch of colors, and while gold isn't one of them, it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility for LEGO to do some day, and there are the random times people obtain prototypes of pieces that come in colors that never appeared in sets. I'm not saying there isn't some advantage, but I'd argue there are ways to obtain that same advantage using physical bricks. You'd have to enforce a rule against all digital builds or restrict it to a program that only uses actual colors, and you'd also have to ask for unedited images from physical builds just to keep it fair. These aren't illegitimate claims toward those that build digitally, but I (for some reason) seem to not care that much this time around.
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| October 23, 2018, 4:54 am
Quoting matt rowntRee
Believe me...

I would also add that when you build with your hands, works fine motor skills of fingers (I do not know how it is in English). In LDD this is very lacking. Real bricks is no substitute! )
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| October 23, 2018, 10:59 am
This has nothing to do with LDD or which parts are allowed or not, but I just wanted to thank you Lo for hosting this competition! The constraint of only working with 8 pieces has already help me to come up with more creative building ideas for the future!
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| October 23, 2018, 1:55 pm
"the case of the golden gun" if he fired would not have made so much noise! I attended the TEPBC last year with digital creations. this year I received an invitation to participate and, of course, it is known that I create only digitally. I have read the rules and do not mention limitations on the use of LDD. if this disturbs the competition so much I may not even participate. the TEPBC has existed and will continue to exist even without me. I see no problems adding "in the running" a special rule that eliminates the competition of the creations in LDD ... we must not create a protocol against the proliferation of nuclear weapons! I would like to say my opinion about the whole matter. regardless of the tool that is used to create, I personally am interested in the creative act that characterizes the work. for example: I do not like "illegal" connections and fanciful subjects but the DJ-studios dragon is a remarkable "creative act", and I gave my "i like it". whatever the reason why a creation you do not like, no one forces you to give your "i like it", but I do not share the idea of ​​putting rules that limit the possibility of creating something that others might like. moreover, it is proven that the amount of "i like it" is not a certainty of victory, as demonstrated by round 2 last year. lolly won with a microscope, not with a motorcycle upside-down ... in the same way I did the L.E.M. with legs covered with gold foil, but evidently I was not good enough if what you see are only gold guns. in any case: long life at TEPBC!
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| October 23, 2018, 2:26 pm
Your MOC is more than the guns, I think we can all agree to that.

The discussion here is about both allowing digital entries and/or nonexistent parts. Your lander just has both and with half your pieces being both, it's just an easy example so please don't take this personally.
We all should be able to discuss these points peacefully and with respect to one another.

Nobody likes regulations but we just need them to keep things fair enough for all of us.


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| October 23, 2018, 2:55 pm
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Oh oh, seems I started a big discussion with my question. Don't wanna bother anyone and I really want that everyone has fun in this contest. All the builds are fantastic and It's awesome to see how much is possible with eight parts only. But to be honest, I mostly use real bricks in the colour Lego produced them. I have absolutely nothing against using LDD but maybe then only the in real bricks available colors should be used. That's all I wanted to know. Just some clarification regarding the use of colors. Because then I could do something in LDD which would be impossible (because of not existing color) in real bricks. Hope you understand what I wanted to say.
And what I definitely don't want: A stressful discussion ;)
Lets build some great creations and have some fun :)
Regards, Sven
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| October 23, 2018, 3:00 pm
Quoting Luuk S
Your MOC is more than the guns, I think we can all agree to that.

The discussion here is about both allowing digital entries and/or nonexistent parts. Your lander just has both and with half your pieces being both, it's just an easy example so please don't take this personally.
We all should be able to discuss these points peacefully and with respect to one another.

+100
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| October 23, 2018, 3:00 pm
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Ps: Excuse my grammar etc sometimes it's hard to describe something with the correct words as a native german speaking person ;)
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| October 23, 2018, 3:18 pm
oops ... sorry, maybe I expressed myself badly (I'm a native Italian speaker ... you can understand me Sven!). no rancor, offense or anything else, I just wanted to say how I thought, considering the references made to my MOC. my intent was to clear the discussion, and enjoy the TEPBC with any written rule or not. everything is fine for me, and good luck to the competitors!
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| October 23, 2018, 3:56 pm
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Well, there is a lot for me to think about. If you want to discuss this in Discord, go ahead. Next year we can all work together to make it a better challenge for all of us. If you want to change rules, I would wait until the next round, or even next year.
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| October 23, 2018, 6:26 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
Well, there is a lot for me to think about. If you want to discuss this in Discord, go ahead. Next year we can all work together to make it a better challenge for all of us. If you want to change rules, I would wait until the next round, or even next year.

Don't change a thing! People are nitpicking. If I recall, I was one to propose a lot of questions about how things were working last year, and I think we made great progress with what was said, but it was mainly because the rules were never very clear. A lot of stuff seemed ambiguous, but I don't remember complaining about digital builds. At at the end of TEPBC4, the three winners were all using physical bricks, so there wasn't anything to get up in arms about. It has run fine four times in a row (well okay, I don't know what happened the first three), why is it only now getting heated? The only one you should be listening to is yourself (and me).
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| October 24, 2018, 4:50 am
Quoting Digital Dreams
Does a hinge count as 1 or 2 parts?

I'm not talking about a self-fabricated hinge consisting of a part with a handle and a part with a clip, both of which are routinely used as individial parts and obviously counts as 2.

I'm talking about something like a dedicated hinge-plate or hinge-brick, where the individual halves are rarely useful on their own.

I think the general consensus has been that if it comes preassembled in a set, or ever has and has since been separated in sets today, it counts as one piece. The biggest example being the 2x2 turntable. The circular piece and the base used to come together and ever since 2007, they have been separate, but if you used it in your build, it would be considered one piece. So you need to find evidence that your hinge has come preassembled in a set before to justify it counting as one part or it will be two pieces.
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| October 24, 2018, 4:54 am
Is it too late to join?
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| October 24, 2018, 6:36 am
Quoting Gravity Cat
Is it too late to join?

Nevermind, just saw the other conversation
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| October 24, 2018, 7:01 am
Quoting BATOH rossi
oops ... sorry, maybe I expressed myself badly (I'm a native Italian speaker ... you can understand me Sven!). no rancor, offense or anything else, I just wanted to say how I thought, considering the references made to my MOC. my intent was to clear the discussion, and enjoy the TEPBC with any written rule or not. everything is fine for me, and good luck to the competitors!

Italian is your native language? I couldn't tell. The foreigners around here are writing better than some native English speakers... xP

So are you Italian?
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| October 24, 2018, 1:24 pm
I throw in my 2 cents about digital build pro/contra.

I see using digital programs as another way to get creativity pressed into Lego bricks. No matter if digital or real.

At first, I can live with the rule for using only colors at parts that actually do exist. It's fair to the builders using real bricks.

If you want to bann digital builds out of contests you should consider that not everyone that has actual some bricks and might join, may have a proper camera and enviroment to create good images of his build.
Digital builds provide screenshots that everyone that has a PC and (f.e.) LDD can upload for presentation.
Seems not to be that important at builds with only 8 pieces but in general. Try to present a big build with a bad camera and bad light conditions and you know what I mean.

I can make a lot of so called illegal builds with LDD but not all. An advantage for real brick builders.

Besides this, I often or nearly everytime use LDD for concepting and later build it out with real bricks.
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| October 24, 2018, 1:33 pm
Quoting Juppiter Augustus Furnus (JimiFurno)
Italian is your native language? I couldn't tell. The foreigners around here are writing better than some native English speakers... xP

So are you Italian?

ha ha, miracles of Google translator! yes, I am INEXORABLY Italian.
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| October 24, 2018, 1:49 pm
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Quoting BATOH rossi
oops ... sorry, maybe I expressed myself badly (I'm a native Italian speaker ... you can understand me Sven!). no rancor, offense or anything else, I just wanted to say how I thought, considering the references made to my MOC. my intent was to clear the discussion, and enjoy the TEPBC with any written rule or not. everything is fine for me, and good luck to the competitors!

Hey neighbor XD That's pretty cool :) Italy is a beautiful country with lots of nice things to see and to explore.
Yeah I'm completely relaxed and hope everyone will enjoy this contest.
Finally I would suggest no rule changes this year because the contest is running now but a bit more clarification before next years sixth contest would be nice.
I think that's the best solution for this year and hope you all agree.
Don't forget about the fact that this very nice contest should be fun ;)
Wishing you all best of luck and a great time with lots of nice eight piece creations.
Regards, Sven

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| October 24, 2018, 1:53 pm
Quoting Juppiter Augustus Furnus (JimiFurno)
Italian is your native language? I couldn't tell. The foreigners around here are writing better than some native English speakers... xP

So are you Italian?

:p
I'm a native English speaker. I just have a small keyboard on my tablet, which I use a lot more than I should.

Autocorrect helps, though.
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| October 24, 2018, 6:30 pm
Maybe we should give up on the whole not allowing LDD to use certain colors or what not, I mean it is only eight pieces.

Also, I realise that my previous comment was really harsh and I am sorry if I offended anyone.
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| October 24, 2018, 8:39 pm
Quoting Meepinater C.
:p
I'm a native English speaker. I just have a small keyboard on my tablet, which I use a lot more than I should.

Autocorrect helps, though.

I was referring to the grammar. While the foreigners sometimes use some funky grammar, I find it refreshing.

What I can't stand, is "me and my ---". I cringe every time I see it. Let me take an example from a video game I play. One of the characters say: "Me and this stage go together like peanut butter and jellyfish."

If we take the speaker and the stage and use one pronoun to refer to both it would be: "We go together like peanut butter and jellyfish." and not: "Us go together like peanut butter and jellyfish."

So the original sentence should be: "This stage and I go together like peanut butter and jellyfish."
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| October 24, 2018, 10:29 pm
Quoting Juppiter Augustus Furnus (JimiFurno)
I was referring to the grammar. While the foreigners sometimes use some funky grammar, I find it refreshing.

What I can't stand, is "me and my ---". I cringe every time I see it. Let me take an example from a video game I play. One of the characters say: "Me and this stage go together like peanut butter and jellyfish."

If we take the speaker and the stage and use one pronoun to refer to both it would be: "We go together like peanut butter and jellyfish." and not: "Us go together like peanut butter and jellyfish."

So the original sentence should be: "This stage and I go together like peanut butter and jellyfish."

Oh, grammar.
YEah, that sometimes bugs me as well. I usually just let it slide, though.
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| October 24, 2018, 10:37 pm
Quoting Meepinater C.
Oh, grammar.
YEah, that sometimes bugs me as well. I usually just let it slide, though.

Sometimes my mind autocorrects it for me. I see "Me and my ---..." and I read "My --- and I..." xP
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| October 25, 2018, 8:41 am
Quoting BATOH rossi
ha ha, miracles of Google translator! yes, I am INEXORABLY Italian.

Most Italians are. xD Like me! I can barely speak or write Italian, but I don't consider myself a Canadian. (I can understand a fair bit though, and I'm studying it.)
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| October 25, 2018, 8:56 am
Hewwo
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| October 27, 2018, 12:36 am
Quoting Meepinater C.
Hewwo

Ciao!
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| October 27, 2018, 9:30 am
Quoting Juppiter Augustus Furnus (JimiFurno)
Ciao!

(Are we speaking other languages now?)
Hola

Ciao means bye in Spanish but hello in... Italian, right?
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| October 27, 2018, 11:20 am
Quoting Meepinater C.
(Are we speaking other languages now?)
Hola

Ciao means bye in Spanish but hello in... Italian, right?

It's used as both an informal "hello" and "bye" in Italian. The word comes from Venetian (The language people of Venice speak) where it was used in the phrase: 'S-ciao vostro' which was used like 'At your service'. (It's literal meaning being 'I am your slave'.)

I don't really know what Spanish did with it though.
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| October 27, 2018, 2:48 pm
Quoting Juppiter Augustus Furnus (JimiFurno)
It's used as both an informal "hello" and "bye" in Italian. The word comes from Venetian (The language people of Venice speak) where it was used in the phrase: 'S-ciao vostro' which was used like 'At your service'. (It's literal meaning being 'I am your slave'.)

I don't really know what Spanish did with it though.

Haha, me either.
They're both based off of Roman, though.
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| October 27, 2018, 3:11 pm
Quoting Meepinater C.
Haha, me either.
They're both based off of Roman, though.

Both Italian and Spanish, plus French, Portuguese, Romanian, and a bunch of others (most miss-labeled 'dialects' like Sardinian) are all the offspring of Vulgar Latin. Thus why they are called 'Romance Languages' because they descend from the language of the Romans.
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| October 27, 2018, 4:25 pm
Quoting Juppiter Augustus Furnus (JimiFurno)
Both Italian and Spanish, plus French, Portuguese, Romanian, and a bunch of others (most miss-labeled 'dialects' like Sardinian) are all the offspring of Vulgar Latin. Thus why they are called 'Romance Languages' because they descend from the language of the Romans.

Yeah, not because "it's the language of love."
that stuff if baloney.
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| October 27, 2018, 5:15 pm
Quoting Meepinater C.
Yeah, not because "it's the language of love."
that stuff if baloney.

You mean "Mortadella".

Even still...

Italian IS pretty romantic...

Just my very biased opinion...
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| October 27, 2018, 6:41 pm
Quoting Juppiter Augustus Furnus (JimiFurno)
You mean "Mortadella".

Even still...

Italian IS pretty romantic...

Just my very biased opinion...

haha
:)
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| October 27, 2018, 8:45 pm
so when's the judging for R1 happening?
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| October 27, 2018, 8:47 pm
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Quoting Meepinater C.
so when's the judging for R1 happening?

After 12:00 AM PST
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| October 27, 2018, 9:36 pm
Quoting Lo var Lachland
After 12:00 AM PST

So...
After lunch?
Guys that already happened 6 hours ago.
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| October 27, 2018, 9:47 pm
What the... My entry lost a like?

MOCpages strikes again! :P
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| October 28, 2018, 12:58 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
What the... My entry lost a like?

MOCpages strikes again! :P


The first like is gone, ask your brother to fix it.
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| October 28, 2018, 1:08 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb

The first like is gone, ask your brother to fix it.

Ah, right you are!

MOCpages is so weird.
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| October 28, 2018, 1:11 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb

The first like is gone, ask your brother to fix it.

I actually double liked it in case of that bug. So actually itís now at the amount of likes it should have.
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| October 28, 2018, 1:32 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Ah, right you are!
MOCpages is so weird.

Quoting DJ - Studios
I actually double liked it in case of that bug. So actually itís now at the amount of likes it should have.

This is an old and annoying bug that will not be fixed. :/
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| October 28, 2018, 1:34 pm
Quoting DJ - Studios
I actually double liked it in case of that bug. So actually itís now at the amount of likes it should have.

Actually, under "see who likes this", you don't show up. So it removed everything I guess.

And I lost another like now...
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| October 28, 2018, 2:15 pm
Quoting Seaman SPb
Quoting DJ - Studios
I actually double liked it in case of that bug. So actually itís now at the amount of likes it should have.

This is an old and annoying bug that will not be fixed. :/

Yep. :/
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| October 28, 2018, 2:15 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Actually, under "see who likes this", you don't show up. So it removed everything I guess.

And I lost another like now...

That's really unfortunate.
Sorry, dude.
Mocpages is just deteriorating completely.

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| October 28, 2018, 2:23 pm
Quoting Meepinater C.
That's really unfortunate.
Sorry, dude.
Mocpages is just deteriorating completely.

Eh, it's just a couple of likes. More weird than annoying.
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| October 28, 2018, 2:25 pm
Quoting Daniel H.
Eh, it's just a couple of likes. More weird than annoying.

True.

Especially since you accumulate so many anyways.
Now, if it happened to someone like me, who has maybe an average of 5 likes per creation, then that would be bad news.
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| October 28, 2018, 2:27 pm
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