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I'm thinking we should do a little wiki overhaul like the bros back in 23CU. Maybe move to wikia.com? IDK though since we got some pretty good stuff. Just some food for thought. Comments?
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| March 2, 2014, 4:37 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
I'm thinking we should do a little wiki overhaul like the bros back in 23CU. Maybe move to wikia.com? IDK though since we got some pretty good stuff. Just some food for thought. Comments?

I couldn't get to our Wetpaint page

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| March 2, 2014, 7:39 pm
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Wetpaint got moved/changed/replaced/bought by/okay idk but it's different now.

Now wetpaint is wikifoundry. so our url is www.ggwu.wikifoundry.com



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| March 2, 2014, 7:50 pm
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I've noticed a couple holes in our canon I intend to fix, mainly starting with how come the NEOS wasn't annexed and made into a Coalition realm when it was conquered, and why the Coalition decided to commit Grade A Genocide. At the very least it most likely would have been partitioned between the CoP and Earth.

Basically I need to do a lot of overhaul with the NEOS. In fact, I would rather make it a kingdom, not an empire, since that helps with a lot of details that don't make sense.
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| March 2, 2014, 7:51 pm
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The entire tone of 23C has shifted since this split-off began, which has caused some issues when I try to reconcile the two. What started out as space communist atheists with an emperor have turned into space feudal medievals with an emperor, in the Coalition's case (probably because Ian and I both sunk multiple hundreds of hours into Crusader Kings 2...). But let's brainstorm here:

>how come the NEOS wasn't annexed and made into a Coalition realm when it was conquered

Much like in real life, the Coalition has its ups and downs in fortune. It's entirely possible they did try to hold onto it like they did Sarthion (http://23rd-century-universe.wikia.com/wiki/The_Confederacy_of_Sarth%C3%AEon), but did not succeed. Thus the Skaborr reverted to native rule after some revolutions and liberations in one of Tarsis's many periods of decline.

>why the Coalition decided to commit Grade A Genocide

The Coalition, especially Tarsins, are very particular about who and what is fair and unfair game. Alien race willing to accept salvation and the true light of civilization? Welcome aboard the ride. Fellow humans who have gone apostate? Kill them all, God will know its own.

>I would rather make it a kingdom, not an empire

I agree, we already have two emperors on the loose as it is. The Emperor of Tarsis (more accurately described as King of Kings) wouldn't like challengers to his scared title. In fact, that's probably one of the biggest beefs they have with MAOX right there...
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| March 3, 2014, 7:39 pm
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I'm going to be withdrawing my factions from this universe, at least until I get them properly sorted, anyway. Most have outgrown their place or are underdeveloped as factions. Almost every race is being re-purposed for a story I've been working on for the last year. The RE is probably no big loss, as they haven't appeared in anyone else's lore so far. The Evdraph for the large majority will only be loosing the Eejute Cast. And I will add some history as to why they don't own the galaxy with how much of a pain in the rear they are. (AkA Infighting and civil war)
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| March 3, 2014, 9:18 pm
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I didn't notice the updates in this thread until recently, sorry bout that. I'm on my phone now, but when I have computer access I'll post a comprehensive reply to Awe. Sorry to hear about your factions gideon, hope you come back!
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| March 8, 2014, 12:09 am
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Is it wrong to double post so much? I only thought if this just now and clicked the wrong button and don't wanna go back so yeah here I am.


I agree about the no more Emperors thing. I'm thinking of working that into the reasons that marred CoP and EoS relations in the first place, and am debating turning the NEOS into an NKOS for kingdom as opposed to an empire, I'm not sure if I have the authority over in the group as de facto canon maker though...I might go ahead anyway though since much of the group along with most on MOCpages died off...
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| March 8, 2014, 12:15 am
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I'd do it. I don't think Christian will mind, the three of us are the only ones still around.
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| March 8, 2014, 2:23 am
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So the Ifrithian Species, Eejute Species, and the races of the Rakalan empire have been withdrawn, reordered and combined into two primary factions and minor kingdoms in a separate Universe. The Eejute mirror the Evdraph, though less advanced and less interested in wiping out other races races.)

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| March 8, 2014, 2:44 am
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Quoting Gideon Creator of... Stuff
So the Ifrithian Species, Eejute Species, and the races of the Rakalan empire have been withdrawn, reordered and combined into two primary factions and minor kingdoms in a separate Universe. The Eejute mirror the Evdraph, though less advanced and less interested in wiping out other races races.)


I don't think the Rakalans or Eujute are big losses (I've never heard of the Eujute until now), but the Ifrithians going could be a blow to the Evdraph storyline...
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| March 8, 2014, 2:58 am
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The Evdraph, looking back on it, are like Daleks and Xenomorphs, combined into one race, bent on the destruction of everything that isn't Exdraph. xD (Rough summary of them)
The Evdraph are obsessed with assimilating technology, particularly cybernetics and genetic manipulation. They have modified themselves to be extremely receptive to cybernetics, and are without hesitation to the sacrifice of limbs if they feel it will improve them.
When the Evdraph went to war with the Slurr, they were united under an Empress and eight Matriarchs. Each had proven themselves to be the strongest and wisest. When the Empress died, the eight Matriarchs were divided on who would be her successor, and went to war over it. With each that fell, the Evdraph's empire became more and more fractured, until it eventually shattered. By the end of the Evdraph's War of succession, there were more than a thousand splinter factions.
The modern Evdraph are a shadow of their former selves, and, for the first time in millions of years, have an Empress leading them, gathering war bands by the dozens. Those that can't be brought into the fold are exterminated.
Most Evdraph are extremely xenophobic, attacking both aliens and other war-bands on sight. The utter extermination of a species is not beyond them.
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| March 8, 2014, 3:12 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

I don't think the Rakalans or Eujute are big losses (I've never heard of the Eujute until now), but the Ifrithians going could be a blow to the Evdraph storyline...

Eejute were a type of Evdraph. Extremists that didn't believe in modifying themselves. And I suppose you're right. Ifrithians will have to stick around. Nix that then.
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| March 8, 2014, 4:14 am
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Quoting Gideon Creator of... Stuff
The modern Evdraph are a shadow of their former selves, and, for the first time in millions of years, have an Empress leading them, gathering war bands by the dozens. Those that can't be brought into the fold are exterminated.


So this spectre of a threat is still wiping the floor with the galaxy? And I'll chalk up millions of years to exaggeration to make a good narrative, seeing as how Christian's timeline puts their war 23,000 years ago.

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| March 8, 2014, 3:18 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Quoting Gideon Creator of... Stuff
The modern Evdraph are a shadow of their former selves, and, for the first time in millions of years, have an Empress leading them, gathering war bands by the dozens. Those that can't be brought into the fold are exterminated.


So this spectre of a threat is still wiping the floor with the galaxy? And I'll chalk up millions of years to exaggeration to make a good narrative, seeing as how Christian's timeline puts their war 23,000 years ago.

More of: I forgot the timeline, and the last time I looked the Slurr were around before the dinosaurs e3e. Granted, that was last year.

Anyway. Evdraph are an extremely old space faring race, and when united under one banner, they could put down an empire like the Slurr. If they had never divided, they would have continued to expand, and no factions would have been able to rise to power under there genocidal watch.
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| March 8, 2014, 5:17 pm
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Quoting Gideon Creator of... Stuff
Anyway. Evdraph are an extremely old space faring race, and when united under one banner, they could put down an empire like the Slurr. If they had never divided, they would have continued to expand, and no factions would have been able to rise to power under there genocidal watch.


It's a good thing they did divide then... Their fall from power comes conveniently but 8000 or so years before the Coalition shows up, so the power vacuum they leave would explain why the Coalition was able to do so well in the beginning. All the pieces fit, how nice.

But why are the Evdraph back only now? What took them so long? Why did they choose this moment to burn the galaxy?
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| March 8, 2014, 5:32 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

But why are the Evdraph back only now? What took them so long? Why did they choose this moment to burn the galaxy?

I'll have to edit the time line at some point, but Matriarchs live for centuries.
As for why they've turned to fight the factions that have risen: A Matriarch finally earned enough respect and held it among the rest to be elevated to Empress. Basically she has enough heads on her wall, enough accumulated knowledge, and enough soldiers at her beck and call that no one resists.
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| March 8, 2014, 6:33 pm
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The Evdraph, Sluur, Mysterions and the died out original Zordorians (from which only the Archeogenis-bio tech is left of according to Yuris backstory)fought each other in some time period where the coalition wasn't able to know them. Each of them nearly were wiped out in that war or were splitted all over the galaxy.
The Mysterions left as nomadic ships here and there, die Sluur had their homeworld only, Zordorians died except of the god Zordor who guided the Maox to their today homeworld, and the Evdraph splitted in various unorganised hives. Like mongolian tribes in war to each other who never left their plains until Dschingis Khan united them and started an empire threatening the world.

But why now? Who is the egg and who the chicken? The Sluur awake because their archnemesis Evdraph are back in the game, the same time the Mysterions reunite their fleet. WHo started why i don't know but all old enemies are back to expand war over our galaxy which is mainly controlled by human races now.
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| March 9, 2014, 1:07 pm
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Or maybe the Evdraph advantage/disadvantage is an exponential population increase, their amount the real danger not the technology, once their swarms reach a critical climax, some kind of natural mass extinction starts because of missing resources, food or just social instability and clan wars. How's that?
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| March 9, 2014, 1:18 pm
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It all looks solid to me. Space reptilian mongols... I like it. Or steppe nomads in space, in general. Every time the steppe nomads got into gear, the world trembled. As the galaxy does now.

In other news, I did a lot of format updating and some name changes on the wiki. Plus an additional four paragraphs on the Tarsin religion page for those of you interested in why they do what they do. Not that it matters; they're the least relevant of the four powers at this point. It's more for 23C use anyway.

Edit: Of course when I go back to check on it, all my changes are undone and everything is a wall of giant text. How do you stop this wretched site from getting rid of your paragraph breaks? I can never make mine stick.

I'd say we should move to wikia like 23C did (so much easier to use), but we're well-established here already...
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| March 9, 2014, 5:46 pm
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Oh god, too much information said while I left for a couple days!

While I was gone, I checked on the NEOS, and have found...nothing! The group died off along with a lot of MOCPages between 2012 and 2014. I see activity by the members elsewhere occasionally, but the group itself is silent.

The good news is that, if I so wish, I can rewrite massive amounts of defective canon to our liking. Although I assume sending out a call to gather the group's members together again is slightly more important. With a little persistence I think I could track down the remaining active members once more. I know Moodswim is still around...

I agree that moving to wikia.com would be much more convenient and give us a fresh start, but we ARE a lot more established on wikifoundry/wetpaint than 23CU was....
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| March 10, 2014, 10:47 pm
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See the other active topic for the others changes I plan to make to the EOS, but I think that its again also awful convenient to our timeline that their rise happens at around 3000 BC (Ancient Egypt on Earth). This is during the fractured feudalism of the Coalition after the Beacon Cataclysm if I can remember, which, similarly to how Awe explained the Coalition's lack of conflict with the Krill or Sluur, makes for an awful convenient time for them to start expanding into the galaxy.

It also explains the (again convenient, plotwise) first contact with the CoP happening during the Earth War, because only after Emperor Ianos unites the CoP again do the EOS finally have a substantial rival to worry about.
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| March 10, 2014, 10:58 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
See the other active topic for the others changes I plan to make to the EOS, but I think that its again also awful convenient to our timeline that their rise happens at around 3000 BC (Ancient Egypt on Earth). This is during the fractured feudalism of the Coalition after the Beacon Cataclysm if I can remember, which, similarly to how Awe explained the Coalition's lack of conflict with the Krill or Sluur, makes for an awful convenient time for them to start expanding into the galaxy.

It also explains the (again convenient, plotwise) first contact with the CoP happening during the Earth War, because only after Emperor Ianos unites the CoP again do the EOS finally have a substantial rival to worry about.


You're right about the basic idea, but wrong on the dates:

~21,000 BC
The Sluur empire was destroyed by the first Krill invasion. Only a few survived on a secret planet.

~15,150 BC
The Coalition of Planets founded on Tarsis, massive conquests ensue.

~9500 BC
The Etherspace Beacon Network collapses, the Coalition splits in a myriad of small states.

~8500
The Tarsins get their act together and establish the Empire to be the bogeyman of everyone else in the galaxy.

3000 BC
The Empire of Skaborr begins its interstellar expansion and Kariador I becomes King of the EOS. Where their origins are and if they were related to the humans of Earth or Tarsis, is unknown.

Now here's where things get interesting. At exactly the same time, this guy who's come to be called the Shadow Emperor took over Tarsis. He made a pact with evil robots from the Cataclysm, he sets them free to wreak havoc, he gets to "become a god" as the Tarsin folklore says. Basically, everyone in the Coalition stops looking to the frontiers and now has to deal with evil robots attacking from occupied Tarsis itself. While they're all distracted, the EOS comes to power (or KOS?)... Very convenient.
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| March 11, 2014, 12:25 am
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Splendid! Perfect chronological organization for a certain human fledging civilization to go completely nuclear on itself, rise from the ashes and meet these other factions in a Great Interstellar War!

Well, maybe not that simple, but you get the point.

This is also a sign I need to recheck my pre-2200 dates again, I was more than a little off there. And yes, I definitely think we could link the rogue machines to Dark Augusto (< renaming needed) with a little thought.

On an unrelated note, what happened to the original Old Machines and the Venus Collective, lost in the retcon?
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| March 11, 2014, 2:18 am
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
This is also a sign I need to recheck my pre-2200 dates again, I was more than a little off there. And yes, I definitely think we could link the rogue machines to Dark Augusto (< renaming needed) with a little thought.

On an unrelated note, what happened to the original Old Machines and the Venus Collective, lost in the retcon?


I linked the Cataclysm article a few days ago, that has all you need to know about evil robots that may be linked to Dark Augusto (which Christian does not want to rename).

The Venus Collective has been completely obliterated from 23C canon, replaced with something far more sinister and mysterious. Whatever they were, they drove the old machines to the brink of destruction, and they were threatening enough to make the old machines completely abandon our galaxy to pursue them to another galaxy. This had bad repercussions when a splinter of what some believe to be corrupted old machines returned and began the Cataclysm. Think of them as a more successful Dark Augusto from 12,000 years ago, seeing as how they reduced the one million worlds of mankind (Tarsin) to the one thousand worlds of mankind. The Tarsins got off comparatively lightly too, most other races were totally destroyed, resulting in wide swaths of unsettled but habitable worlds...
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| March 11, 2014, 2:44 am
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I like how not anyone, not the Skaborrs, not the Coalition during Emperor Iānos's reconquest (if I remember correctly they're not the best at keeping track of their own history over several millennia), MAOX, or the UNE apparently questioned the large swaths of perfectly habitable, yet empty worlds just there for the taking for parsecs around....

It's almost as if we could make something very malicious about this whole Shadow Emperor thing and the force the corrupted old machines were chasing after. It's also interesting to note that in Bernardo Silva's galactic maps, the northern part of the galaxy is completely barren. All the factions spring up in the lower part of the map. Perfect detail to note when making up a super-malevolent force more dangerous than the Krill or Dark Augusto...
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| March 11, 2014, 3:15 am
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
I like how not anyone, not the Skaborrs, not the Coalition during Emperor Iānos's reconquest (if I remember correctly they're not the best at keeping track of their own history over several millennia), MAOX, or the UNE apparently questioned the large swaths of perfectly habitable, yet empty worlds just there for the taking for parsecs around....

It's almost as if we could make something very malicious about this whole Shadow Emperor thing and the force the corrupted old machines were chasing after. It's also interesting to note that in Bernardo Silva's galactic maps, the northern part of the galaxy is completely barren. All the factions spring up in the lower part of the map. Perfect detail to note when making up a super-malevolent force more dangerous than the Krill or Dark Augusto...


The Tarsins don't question it because they know that there was a mighty disaster caused by the hubris and arrogance of their ancestors. It's only natural there'd be ruins around. Earth just thinks they were lucky, at least 23C Earth does.

The Shadow Emperor was indeed very malicious. The Tarsin canon is that he was a tool of dark powers (akin to the Devil), and the robots he worked with are literally called demons by the Tarsins (as is any AI). To them, the work of evil is a clear and present danger in the galaxy, and it is their duty to fight it. Anyone who is against them are agents of that evil. As you can see, their mindset is very different from everyone else's in either 23C or GGWU.

The north of the galaxy is also heavily Tarsin, but they're corpses of ancient Tarsin kingdoms that were vassals of the Emperor many thousands of years ago (including Sarthion). One by one, each kingdom fell into chaos and was lost forever. Ian says the Emperor's crown had one precious stone for every one of these "crown-worlds," and as each one was lost, its stone was removed. Until we reach the present day, when the Emperor's crown has but a single gem in it, that of Tarsis alone. They got to add Earth as a gem for a while, but... We know how that went.

That feel when Tarsis is the most developed but least relevant faction in GGWU.
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| March 11, 2014, 3:24 am
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http://www.greatgalacticwar.wikia.com

I made a site on wikia.com for this theme. I like how much more efficient it is, and I do enjoy having a fresh start from the ground up.

I imagine that we will slowly transition for wikifoundry over to this site if we get around to it. I already made some basic pages, if you guys wanna head over and experiment with it.

The one grievance I have with wikia.com is that its so detailed that eveyr little significant topic or term (for example: Great Beacon Catacylsm) has to have its own page. That's both a pro for making the wiki more legit but a con in that its a lot of work.

Oh well, we have no time limit to switch over...that is if you guys even want to.
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| March 11, 2014, 9:40 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
http://www.greatgalacticwar.wikia.com



I'll do it. I just wish Internet Explorer was able to load all the features. Chrome can't load all the features of wikifoundry... The irony. Too bad my Chrome is corrupted by adware that won't go away. Maybe Firefox will work?

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| March 11, 2014, 11:21 pm
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IE works fine for wikia as far as I know, but you can try firefox, that should probably work.
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| March 11, 2014, 11:24 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
IE works fine for wikia as far as I know, but you can try firefox, that should probably work.


Firefox is working, however I can't upload photos. Not on IE, not on Firefox. Irritating...
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| March 11, 2014, 11:37 pm
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Ahh, that sucks.

I noticed we have begun to rebuild our canon from the ground up! I must say its about time, some things needed to be redone badly!

I am actually not the best with wikia or Wikipedia or the other sites that use the type of editing format and codes or whatever, but I'll learn over time. How do you make those info boxes like you did on the Empire of Tarsis page, the one with the government and religion listed?
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| March 11, 2014, 11:51 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
Ahh, that sucks.

I noticed we have begun to rebuild our canon from the ground up! I must say its about time, some things needed to be redone badly!

I am actually not the best with wikia or Wikipedia or the other sites that use the type of editing format and codes or whatever, but I'll learn over time. How do you make those info boxes like you did on the Empire of Tarsis page, the one with the government and religion listed?


It was Ian who made it, I just used the insert template feature and chose Template:infobox!, which is in my records because I've used it on 23C... I'd look on the wikia help page for more info.

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| March 11, 2014, 11:53 pm
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