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All about Skaborr and its allies. Ideas, systems,history, canon. Discus here.
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| March 13, 2014, 7:44 pm
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With the ideas ill be throwing out soon, this topic will fill quite fast. Also, in reply to practically everything that's been said since yesterday that I may or may not have seen, tonight I'll be hanging out with some friends, so, hold your thoughts, ill get to them tomorrow!
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| March 13, 2014, 8:34 pm
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I think that we can place the EOS first contact with the Coalition and/or one of its vassal states (most likely the Digondarian League) at around 2260-2265. The thing is that, since the EOSout-teched Earth by a large amount at that time (although still behind the Coalition), having mastered plasma technology, etc, I think the central Digondar government, and shortly after, the Coalition, would be alerted much quicker to the existence of yet another perceived barbarian threat.

Within a few years, conveniently by around late 2267, the Coalition would begin to throw its main military might at Skabor at around the time the war with Earth was heating up as well.

Now here's the cincher, you'd think the UNE would want to ALLY with the Skabors. instead of opening a third front in the war. After all, who turns down a high-tech ally and makes them an enemy when they have a much larger threat already looming.

Fortunately, I found a solution there. What if, say, the Skabors, when making first contact with Earth, MISTOOK the Terran humans for Tarsins ones (after all, the average alien being would find it absolutely ludicrous that a giant coincidence like the same race evolving on two different worlds turned out to be the case), and caused them to do some damage to the UNE, maybe destroy a space fleet, or orbitally bombard a planet.

thoughts?
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| March 14, 2014, 11:17 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
thoughts?


I think your scenario could work. Skabor makes the first move, Tarsin-Digondarian joint leadership ask for a temporary truce with that front's leader. The Digondarian front against Earth would not have the decades of built up hostility that they'd have with the Othaen front, so it could work. Perhaps the Emperor would be convinced to cease the advance from Othaen and give everyone there a years or two to rest, while the Digondar front goes after the EOS. Earth wouldn't have time to rest, they're outnumbered to the point where they need to pull most of their forces off the Othaen front to deal with Skabor. So really, it's a bit of chivalry on the Tarsin part to leave their skeleton garrisons alone until the Skabor are dealt with; a rather plausible act, given that the Emperor of Tarsis at the time is a guy who suffered under less than chivalrous emperors just before him, and was very much looking to set himself apart.

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| March 14, 2014, 11:23 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22

Not what I meant Awe. I meant that Christian's map needed the NKOS and Krill to be moved a bit. I hadn't looked at your latest one at the time, which seems to be pretty accurate. Is it safe to say that, in the same way first contact and war with Earth was with the Arkanins/Othaen and the Vasij, the NKOS first encountered the Digondarian League?

In the Skaborr thread we'll have to go into more detail on the Skaborr involvement in the Great War of Man (< what I believe the Tarsins would call it), as it doesn't even have mention on the Tarsin history page yet, due to the details being...convoluted to say the least


Already answered the first paragraph.

Great War of Man sounds like a good title to me. It'll probably have many different names depending on where you were when it happened. Out by Thyrenda, it just might be called the Earth war. In Othaen or Hathengar (the nearest Imperial Tarsin planet to Earth at the time), they might call it something more dramatic, like the Great War of Man. Earthmen might simply call it the Catastrophe or the Conquest (borrowing on the Palestinian names for the various wars with Israel in the 60s and 70s).
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| March 14, 2014, 11:28 pm
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Hey Awe, you think you can write in a section for the temporary alliance against the EoS into they history of Tarsis on wikia? We can hammer out the details later, but you're better with the POV of editing you use on the page, it would be interesting to see how you do it.


A perfect place to put a new section would be just before the paragraph describing the earth war that begins with "And so the war began in earnest"

The paragraph just before that one also fits well into a Skabor insertion. All in all you could fit it in between the 2 without disrupting much if any of the flow of your article. Helpful: Just so ya know, I'm thinking that retcon the tri-war itself (Tarsis and coalition as a whole involved, incident with earth that makes them learn of the EOS as well and ally with the CoP, and the actual war) to the 2290s through 2310s. I think first contact with Digondar and resulting escalation and disturbing omens on earth and Tarsis would be placed at around 2270ish.

I imagine the reason the truce between the two sides fell apart was mostly likely because of the Vasīj and their bloodlust and over enthusiasm for war.

Think you can make something outta that? It would fix the biggest black hole in this canon right now.
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| March 20, 2014, 1:07 am
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
Hey Awe, you think you can write in a section for the temporary alliance against the EoS into they history of Tarsis on wikia? We can hammer out the details later, but you're better with the POV of editing you use on the page, it would be interesting to see how you do it.


A perfect place to put a new section would be just before the paragraph describing the earth war that begins with "And so the war began in earnest"

The paragraph just before that one also fits well into a Skabor insertion. All in all you could fit it in between the 2 without disrupting much if any of the flow of your article. Helpful: Just so ya know, I'm thinking that retcon the tri-war itself (Tarsis and coalition as a whole involved, incident with earth that makes them learn of the EOS as well and ally with the CoP, and the actual war) to the 2290s through 2310s. I think first contact with Digondar and resulting escalation and disturbing omens on earth and Tarsis would be placed at around 2270ish.

I imagine the reason the truce between the two sides fell apart was mostly likely because of the Vasīj and their bloodlust and over enthusiasm for war.

Think you can make something outta that? It would fix the biggest black hole in this canon right now.


I'll see what I can do tomorrow. The edits I've done tonight are just me procrastinating on cleaning my bathroom, which I should really do now...

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| March 20, 2014, 2:20 am
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Well, I wrote what I could today, but I'm losing web connection every 5 minutes. Makes editing hard.
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| March 21, 2014, 3:56 am
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Well, I wrote what I could today, but I'm losing web connection every 5 minutes. Makes editing hard.

Thanks a bunch :D. We can hammer out the details of "Fed" (< to be alienized) and his "heresy" which prompts a crusade by Tarsis, how that went down, and the mistaken attack on Earth tomorrow :D. Hope your internet gets better.
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| March 21, 2014, 4:13 am
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You got any ideas, Kevin? Or you, Christain? I'm just playing Crusader Kings 2 while my internet is down (phone has 4G), but that's only good for Coalition/Tarsin business.
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| March 21, 2014, 11:17 pm
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Definitely. I'm on my phone right now too so I won't be able to have a long discussion, but I'm here. First order of business is a new name for fed I think.
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| March 22, 2014, 12:12 am
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Hmm... If the Skabor had a language spoken here on Earth, what would it be? As Ive mentioned, the Tarsins are slavic/greek/hebrew all mixed together... So what would Skabor be?

I do not like phone keyboards.
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| March 22, 2014, 1:30 am
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That's what I was thinking too. Better to find a language on Earth that's similar. Preferably one older and not a mainstream modern one. Although, of note, i imagine it being a little like Vietnamese (and in a few minor cases, Spanish) in that pronunciation can change the context of a word, but I may forego this later, I'm debating it now.

Lemme do some reason on this for a little.
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| March 22, 2014, 2:56 am
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
That's what I was thinking too. Better to find a language on Earth that's similar. Preferably one older and not a mainstream modern one. Although, of note, i imagine it being a little like Vietnamese (and in a few minor cases, Spanish) in that pronunciation can change the context of a word, but I may forego this later, I'm debating it now.

Lemme do some reason on this for a little.


That could get pretty complicated, I fear. In Tarsin, I tried to make the pronunciation system as easy as possible; every letter/letter combination means exactly one sound (thus the need for circumflexes over vowels, to denote if they're long or short).

Still something vaguely Asian could work.
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| March 22, 2014, 3:01 am
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The problem is I don't think the way East Asian or oriental languages sound, doesn't fit write for what I'm imagining. I'm looking into the Slavic languages right now, actually. I'll get back to you on this...
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| March 22, 2014, 3:17 am
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Actually, I think I've settled on Azerbaijani for my Skabor analog. I like the way it sounds.
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| March 24, 2014, 12:23 am
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
Actually, I think I've settled on Azerbaijani for my Skabor analog. I like the way it sounds.


Sounds cool. When you have it all together, just add the names and events to the EOS/NKOS page, and I can extrapolate them from a Tarsin viewpoint for the Tarsis page.
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| March 24, 2014, 1:18 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

Sounds cool. When you have it all together, just add the names and events to the EOS/NKOS page, and I can extrapolate them from a Tarsin viewpoint for the Tarsis page.


Ya gotta help me think of the names. That's not exactly my strong point there.

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| March 24, 2014, 3:36 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22

Ya gotta help me think of the names. That's not exactly my strong point there.


Well, where to begin... Azeri is a Turkic language (I don't think it's proper to call it Azeri, considering I've only seen Armenians use that term, I'll let you research their history yourself), so that means... What does it mean? Let's look at Turkic languages in general.

Here's a chart of the letters/sounds used in Salar, an Oghuz Turkic language (Same family as Azeri and Ottoman/modern Turkish):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salar_language#consonants

Always handy, name charts:
http://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/azerbaijani

So who are big names in the EOS? There's Kariader, who we don't even need to change. Commander Fed, who we can turn into... Fedeyun (fed-eh-yoon). Andreas and Rotgers can be turned into... Handrez (han-drez) and Rutjeyan (rut-jeh-yan). You could use the German dots (umlauts?) over vowels to tell their sounds apart, if you want.
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| March 24, 2014, 7:33 pm
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Dang, that was quick. You're amazing at this type of thing. The names sound good! I'd prefer to avoid umlauts over vowels because that's identified so much with German, but the stuff you've got is great!

I'll get to posting some stuff on the EOS page to see if you can use it to build on the history.
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| March 24, 2014, 10:30 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
Dang, that was quick. You're amazing at this type of thing. The names sound good! I'd prefer to avoid umlauts over vowels because that's identified so much with German, but the stuff you've got is great!

I'll get to posting some stuff on the EOS page to see if you can use it to build on the history.


I'll keep an eye out, then. I think I'll try to transfer over some more articles to the wikia too, tomorrow.

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| March 25, 2014, 5:58 am
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Or at least that's what I would be doing if I could keep my computer hooked up to the net for more than 3 minutes...
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| March 25, 2014, 6:39 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
Or at least that's what I would be doing if I could keep my computer hooked up to the net for more than 3 minutes...


what happened to your wifi?
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| March 25, 2014, 8:53 pm
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Added some info to the EOS page. I laid the foundation for many ideas of Skabor history and culture that I hadn't really written of yet. I also revised Skabor to be an intensely atheistic state following the near destruction of many of their old customs such as language and religion following the Dark Era that brought down the old Kingdom. That should help cook up conflict between them and the Coalition.

My main "villain" during the Dark Era will be the Izdihan, a term for a kind of revolutionary militant group that I think of as a cross of sorts between the FARC in Columbia, the Taliban before 2001, and the Sarthim from in universe. It rakes ideas from all three and is derived from an Azerbaijani term for "gang", "mafia" or "mob".

Although, I think of them as only appearing after the old Kingdom fell. I'd like to use the Shadow Legion of Machines in tarsis at around this time (1000 BC I think??) as a catalyst for the conflict. Like, maybe an encounter with proto-Dark Augusto that came from these abominable shadow machines?

I'm still fleshing out my ideas and all, so my thoughts and stuff may be a bit convoluted.
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| March 25, 2014, 10:04 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
Added some info to the EOS page. I laid the foundation for many ideas of Skabor history and culture that I hadn't really written of yet. I also revised Skabor to be an intensely atheistic state following the near destruction of many of their old customs such as language and religion following the Dark Era that brought down the old Kingdom. That should help cook up conflict between them and the Coalition.

My main "villain" during the Dark Era will be the Izdihan, a term for a kind of revolutionary militant group that I think of as a cross of sorts between the FARC in Columbia, the Taliban before 2001, and the Sarthim from in universe. It rakes ideas from all three and is derived from an Azerbaijani term for "gang", "mafia" or "mob".

Although, I think of them as only appearing after the old Kingdom fell. I'd like to use the Shadow Legion of Machines in tarsis at around this time (1000 BC I think??) as a catalyst for the conflict. Like, maybe an encounter with proto-Dark Augusto that came from these abominable shadow machines?


My home wifi is provided by Comcast, an evil company that doesn't care about the services it provides because it has a monopoly here. It's them or nothing. It's not the same at university, I have an actually decent connection down there.

All the stuff you put up and have here looks good.

If the old Kingdom fell between 3000 and 2600-ish BC, then chances are that the Undying Legion (the actual name for the Shadow Emperor's friends, as they could often transfer to new bodies upon death) was behind the fall. Survivors of the Undying either retreated to the dark maze of the underworlds beneath pre-cataclysm planets, or into parts unknown. Perhaps the Old Kingdom did fall around 1000 BC, after surviving Undying managed to get their act together once the search for them was over.
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| March 25, 2014, 11:15 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great

My home wifi is provided by Comcast, an evil company that doesn't care about the services it provides because it has a monopoly here. It's them or nothing. It's not the same at university, I have an actually decent connection down there.

All the stuff you put up and have here looks good.

If the old Kingdom fell between 3000 and 2600-ish BC, then chances are that the Undying Legion (the actual name for the Shadow Emperor's friends, as they could often transfer to new bodies upon death) was behind the fall. Survivors of the Undying either retreated to the dark maze of the underworlds beneath pre-cataclysm planets, or into parts unknown. Perhaps the Old Kingdom did fall around 1000 BC, after surviving Undying managed to get their act together once the search for them was over.


Undying as in that as soon as their mechanical body was destroyed they could upload from some sort of backup or main database into a new one? Fancy, and deadly. I imagine that if the uploaded file was somewhat corrupted you could get a genocidal maniac machine calling itself Dark Augusto ehh?

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| March 26, 2014, 11:16 am
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On a side note, I just thought that maybe I'm not being original enough or having enough plot variety focusing on a recurring Old and New monarchy that fell due to machines. I feel like I'm infringing on CoP territory here. It's partially why I introduced a sort of FARC/Taliban hybrid internal Skabor villain to make things more interesting
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| March 26, 2014, 11:22 am
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22

Undying as in that as soon as their mechanical body was destroyed they could upload from some sort of backup or main database into a new one? Fancy, and deadly. I imagine that if the uploaded file was somewhat corrupted you could get a genocidal maniac machine calling itself Dark Augusto ehh?


More or less like that. The more they die, the crazier they get, until you have completely unhinged ones whose sole purpose is to just destroy. Sounds like Dark Augusto's beginning to me.

Quoting Delta Kevin 22
On a side note, I just thought that maybe I'm not being original enough or having enough plot variety focusing on a recurring Old and New monarchy that fell due to machines. I feel like I'm infringing on CoP territory here. It's partially why I introduced a sort of FARC/Taliban hybrid internal Skabor villain to make things more interesting


It's similar, but not too infringing. It actually adds continuity between the factions. Right now, we've got my Tarsin stuff which really has nothing to do with anything else going on the galaxy despite being the backdrop for the entire galaxy. It's a good way to start bringing them together; they defeat the Shadow Emperor and his Undying Legion, parts of the Legion scatter and take down the Skabor before returning in modern times to cause trouble as Dark Augusto. Historical continuity, like how the ejection of the Huns from the East by the Chinese sent them straight at the Roman Empire.
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| March 26, 2014, 4:01 pm
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"How can you have the arrogance to speak of my heresy, when it is you who is the heretic? You sit high and mighty on your throne, foolishly reveling in your ideals of holiness, your blasphemy about divinity and the hand of a so-called-God, and your-righteous sense of greatness and majestic virtue, while you send mere servants, lowly vassals to your false throne, to massacre our species and lay waste to our planets. I have spent thousands of solar cycles maintaining my empire! You are emperor of nothing!"

-Fedeyun the Great

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This make sense?

Speaking of which, you got enough info to work more of your magic on the Tarsin history page?

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| March 26, 2014, 9:21 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
"How can you have the arrogance to speak of my heresy, when it is you who is the heretic? You sit high and mighty on your throne, foolishly reveling in your ideals of holiness, your blasphemy about divinity and the hand of a so-called-God, and your-righteous sense of greatness and majestic virtue, while you send mere servants, lowly vassals to your false throne, to massacre our species and lay waste to our planets. I have spent thousands of solar cycles maintaining my empire! You are emperor of nothing!"

-Fedeyun the Great

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This make sense?

Speaking of which, you got enough info to work more of your magic on the Tarsin history page?


It makes sense, but I have some issues with your word choice:

-Heresy. Heresy is a differing conception of the truth within a system; like the Cathars of southern France in the 1200s as opposed to the Catholic Church, both were Christians, but had some very different ideas. I don't think Fedeyun subscribes to the New Faith, so he wouldn't be using the word heresy.
-Blasphemy. I wouldn't use it where it is, and I probably wouldn't use it all, given that he was supposedly an atheist.

With those in mind, I present:

"How can you have the arrogance to speak of me of blasphemy, when it is you who profane the name of your mythical legends with your own hypocrisy? You sit high and mighty on your throne, foolishly reveling in your ideals of holiness, your babble of divinity and the hand of a false god, and your self-righteous sense of greatness and majestic virtue, while you send mere servants, lowly vassals and slaves to your cruel throne, to massacre our nation and lay waste to our planets. I have spent thousands of years maintaining my empire; I, alone! What are you, but a frail and dying creature that can hardly cobble together a scrap of authority in the meager time left in you? I am truly the King of Kings, destined Lord of the World -- you are nothing!"

As for the history section... I'll see what I can cook up. The problem is that I have no actual events to work with.
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| March 26, 2014, 10:00 pm
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Ooh, clever! Very nicely done. But Iānos was old at that time? I thought he was young...that was how II imagined him, at least less than an Earth 50 year old...speaking of which, do Tarsins have our same lifespan or not, or did we once talk about Iānos being on life support assistance or something? I forgot

I was going for the broader sense of the words blasphemy and heresy, referrring simply to "the act of speaking profanely or sacrilegiously of things that another holds sacred" (ie the title of emperor in this case) and "Opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted" respectively. Used a dictionary for that, although I am aware of their stricter definitions specifically applying to God and religion.

Just realized I accidentally wrote self-righteous as just plain righteous in my version. Anyways, I'm comfortable with you deciding the actual events to some extent. I believe it isn't necessary for me to dictate that too much except for key things I'll revise if need be afterwards.

EDIT: I double post too much, so I'll put this here. Did Skabors use the term World for the galaxy, or did they just say the Galaxy, or possibly something else, (the Stars? The Celestial? Im not sure...) Suppose that's for me to say, but what do you think?
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| March 26, 2014, 11:01 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
Ooh, clever! Very nicely done. But Iānos was old at that time? I thought he was young...that was how II imagined him, at least less than an Earth 50 year old...speaking of which, do Tarsins have our same lifespan or not, or did we once talk about Iānos being on life support assistance or something? I forgot

I was going for the broader sense of the words blasphemy and heresy, referrring simply to "the act of speaking profanely or sacrilegiously of things that another holds sacred" (ie the title of emperor in this case) and "Opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted" respectively. Used a dictionary for that, although I am aware of their stricter definitions specifically applying to God and religion.

Just realized I accidentally wrote self-righteous as just plain righteous in my version. Anyways, I'm comfortable with you deciding the actual events to some extent. I believe it isn't necessary for me to dictate that too much except for key things I'll revise if need be afterwards.

EDIT: I double post too much, so I'll put this here. Did Skabors use the term World for the galaxy, or did they just say the Galaxy, or possibly something else, (the Stars? The Celestial? Im not sure...) Suppose that's for me to say, but what do you think?


Ianos was already about 20 when he came to power in 2267, so he'd be in his 50s or even 60s by the time 2300 rolled around, and I imagine the war with Skabor doesn't really begin until after that point. The life support you recall is ancient 2010 COP lore from when we basically stole everything from Warhammer, now there's about 400 generations worth of Emperors, plus more from those that passed the throne to a brother or uncle or what have you.

I gathered you were going for a broader sense of the word, but being an unofficial student of history, it really jostles my jamies when heresy is used to define what might be more accurately called apostasy, heathenry, or necromancy (the archaic meaning regarding the summoning of and consorting with demons). I just can't let it slip. I blame Warhammer.

I'd just have the Skabors use galaxy like most others. World is for the Coalition cultures.
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| March 27, 2014, 1:10 am
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Huh. You used the term World in your version on accident then.

Anyways, do Tarsins have longer natural lifespans than Terrans, or exactly the same? At the very least, you could attribute a longer lifespan within the concept of them being the same as humans to an extra 40k years of history and genetic variation causing a little adaptation or tendency to have longer lifespans, sort of like, a little mini-evolution, what Darwin called descent with modification ( < High school bio class material). Or, a little bit more likely, medicine and biomedical technology and/or other scientific advancements made in that extra time could contribute to it.

Realistically, I think you could probably see Tarsin humans with 150-200 year lifespans because of this.
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| March 27, 2014, 1:33 am
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
Huh. You used the term World in your version on accident then.

Anyways, do Tarsins have longer natural lifespans than Terrans, or exactly the same? At the very least, you could attribute a longer lifespan within the concept of them being the same as humans to an extra 40k years of history and genetic variation causing a little adaptation or tendency to have longer lifespans, sort of like, a little mini-evolution, what Darwin called descent with modification ( < High school bio class material). Or, a little bit more likely, medicine and biomedical technology and/or other scientific advancements made in that extra time could contribute to it.

Realistically, I think you could probably see Tarsin humans with 150-200 year lifespans because of this.


Oh, I forgot to answer that question. 40K more years of history is another 2012 relic, we've downscaled it to about 20K years of recorded history, with the space age being 16K years ago. Pretty much the same length of time on Earth it took us to get from the first civilizations to spaceflight. That's all lost, now, though.

Life spans used to be a lot longer in Tarsins. Before the Cataclysm, genetic therapy and engineering was widespread. I'm talking 6 foot tall, platinum-haired, blue-eyed, fair-skinned Aryan master race children for everyone; highlander eugenics paved the way (on Tarsis, their version of Hitler won a total victory). Everyone lived for like 200 years and never got Alzheimer's or lung cancer. Controversial in the days of diversity, but Tarsis is the bad guy of 23C, and the former bad guy turned begrudgingly tolerated ally in GGWU.

Then the Cataclysm happened. These gene-tweaking machines were some of the first to go haywire, creating spooky mutants and such. Without either geneitc engineering/therapy and the ability to enforce eugenic codes, it all fell apart, and the Tarsin bloodlines "degraded." Given a healthy diet with proper nutritional input, the average Tarsin is probably taller than your average Earthman, in the 23rd century at least. But that's not the case, the average Tarsin lives like a 19th century factory worker or an 18th century farmer; poor nutrition and poverty has taken its toll. So your average Tarsin commoner probably only makes it to 50 or 60 (or disease takes them at 30), while a noble might make it to 70, 80, or even 90. Emperors tend to live far shorter due to long-term stress taking its toll. As for height, commoners are short, like 5'6" short (that's like a meter and a half?). Nobles are more around 5'8" to 6' (just under two meters?).

Cybernetics and genetic engineering are viewed as defilement of the sacred flesh (thanks to local folklore about the aforementioned mutants, the Shadow Emperor, and the Sarthions), but... Some of the old genes are still hidden in the populace. Every now and then, when all the chromosomes line up right, a man or woman of destiny is born; stronger, smarter, taller, faster, fairer. More realistically, it's usually only a few good traits instead of the whole package. The biggest heroes of the Tarsins are generally those people, the lucky offspring who bear the fruit of their ancestors work. And to get to the original question, those heroes generally live well past 100.

Of course, there are far more common cases were ancient genetic engineering goes wrong and a monster is born, but they're exiled from the community. I imagine in these years, they find refuge in more tolerant societies like Earth, or just live in their isolated colonies within Tarsin territory.
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| March 27, 2014, 5:30 pm
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I guess we're back to being inactive, then.
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| April 1, 2014, 4:49 pm
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Quoting Awesome-o-saurus The Not-So-Great
I guess we're back to being inactive, then.

Not just yet, I'd say. just people are busy.
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| April 1, 2014, 5:21 pm
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Quoting Gideon Creator of... Stuff
Not just yet, I'd say. just people are busy.

What he said...

I'm kinda waiting for Awe's new take on the Skabor involvement in the 23C war. I'm really quite all right if you devise the events to your liking. I think you could spin the tale very well.


I'm going to try to investigate the history of World War III and such in the meantime. Got the factions kinda planned out. It would really help if one could provide a list of countries that you think would take China's side in a US & EU/China war.

Mostly its an alliance of countries on the Atlantic Ocean (US, Canada, EU, & NATO, and their closely-aligned or sympathetic states, probably Columbia, Chile, Argentina, South Africa, Morocco, [idk is that even plausible?, this apple of an idea is still freshly picked from the orchard that is my brain], and a covenant of countries together in a Chinese Neo-Warssaw Pact of sorts.

Not quite sure what countries should be on which side yet. The only cemented adversaries are the US, Canada, and EU vs. China. I really don't want to make it a NATO vs. Russia and China war, because it feels like the whole Russia as an antagonist thing has been done before, and in all honesty it would be cool if Russia wasn't a bad guy in this situation.
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| April 1, 2014, 9:10 pm
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
What he said...

I'm kinda waiting for Awe's new take on the Skabor involvement in the 23C war. I'm really quite all right if you devise the events to your liking. I think you could spin the tale very well.


You've been waiting on me? Here I was waiting on you... I'll see what I can come up with, then.
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| April 2, 2014, 11:31 pm
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I decided for me not to care about any details on WWIII, that's too complex for me and to hard to be realistic with our real world politics. Sure, the NATO vs Russia/China would be the most possible way but using someone as bad guy in this century? I like the idea of political seperatists who plan some terror attacks in several countries who give the responsibilty to each other, diplomacy fails in a long line of misunderstandings and wrong facts and somewhere a scared soldier accidentially pushed the wrong button and everything escalates within an hour. Boom!
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| April 5, 2014, 5:01 pm
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Well that's exactly how it all started. separatists, armed revolutionaries and/or terrorists planned an attack on Chicago (Not New York, the United States already had terror attacks there twice, September 11, and once in the mid-1990s, too cliche. Nothing of value in Los Angeles except for Hollywood, so naturally I went for the next biggest city), and I may add some follow up attacks in major cities in the EU, which I imagine as an American ally (I can't help it, even if Europe has issues with America)

Since you're more in touch with Europe than me, as my family moved to America before I was born, do you think maybe a Flemish terror attack on Brussels is possible? Or maybe the Scottish (if the fall referendum doesn't vote "yes") and Catalan independence movements become larger, tensions grow, and violent attacks start occurring in Britain and Spain.

Of course this is all irrelevant if we do decide to put WWIII on hold for now.
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| April 5, 2014, 9:37 pm
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Nope, that are minor conflicts but no extremistic terrorists, the IRA e.g. isn't active since the 80's. Maybe we're thinking too traditional, there are no main powers able to wage a world war at moment in my opinion. Maybe it doesn't start with a territorial conflict about resources but what about a group of bored anti-capitalist teenage-hackers letting the stock market in Frankfurt crash, europe is ruined and the secret agencies suspects foreign countries like china, who would profite, they decline responisbility, the US and EU react with hard restrictions "We know they have hackers! We have these satellite pictures of their servers!" A world-wide financial crisis happen in the 2020's everyone get unemployed and then radical political groups comes out planning a revolution against the rich political leaders and those who are responsible for the crash of capitalism. One comes to the other, the western states against those who lost their money by western arrogance and egoism and a crazy warlord says: boom!
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| April 6, 2014, 10:43 am
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Quoting Christian Schlichting
Nope, that are minor conflicts but no extremistic terrorists, the IRA e.g. isn't active since the 80's. Maybe we're thinking too traditional, there are no main powers able to wage a world war at moment in my opinion. Maybe it doesn't start with a territorial conflict about resources but what about a group of bored anti-capitalist teenage-hackers letting the stock market in Frankfurt crash, europe is ruined and the secret agencies suspects foreign countries like china, who would profite, they decline responisbility, the US and EU react with hard restrictions "We know they have hackers! We have these satellite pictures of their servers!" A world-wide financial crisis happen in the 2020's everyone get unemployed and then radical political groups comes out planning a revolution against the rich political leaders and those who are responsible for the crash of capitalism. One comes to the other, the western states against those who lost their money by western arrogance and egoism and a crazy warlord says: boom!


>antifa causes WWIII while trying to fight "the man"

I can see this happening, you've got my stamp of approval. Though I think this belongs in the Earth Alliance thread, not the NEOS thread... Speaking of which, I'm still trying to come up with something for them to do. Between other projects and reading for a 400 level history class, I don't have as much time as I'd like.
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| April 6, 2014, 4:47 pm
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Quoting Christian Schlichting
Nope, that are minor conflicts but no extremistic terrorists, the IRA e.g. isn't active since the 80's. Maybe we're thinking too traditional, there are no main powers able to wage a world war at moment in my opinion. Maybe it doesn't start with a territorial conflict about resources but what about a group of bored anti-capitalist teenage-hackers letting the stock market in Frankfurt crash, europe is ruined and the secret agencies suspects foreign countries like china, who would profite, they decline responisbility, the US and EU react with hard restrictions "We know they have hackers! We have these satellite pictures of their servers!" A world-wide financial crisis happen in the 2020's everyone get unemployed and then radical political groups comes out planning a revolution against the rich political leaders and those who are responsible for the crash of capitalism. One comes to the other, the western states against those who lost their money by western arrogance and egoism and a crazy warlord says: boom! >>>

What of the role of the other great powers of this world? We have the US, China, and the EU (which I suspect would particularly be Germany, France, etc, not sure if the UK would have backed out of the EU by now, as that's a big issue for them) in there.

But what of Russia, India, Brazil, and the rest. Most important is Russia, which I assume by now will have ousted Putin even if he remains in power for a long time, seeing as otherwise he would have had a several decades long regime and that just screams "I AM A KLEPTOCRATIC DICTATOR!".
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| April 6, 2014, 10:28 pm
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I don't know why, but it weirdly posted my reply within the quote. Sometimes MOCPages bugs out on you, I checked the comment and was about to edit it, but turns out I didn't accidentally type within the quote, it was just a glitch of some sort.
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| April 7, 2014, 12:40 am
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