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All about earth and its allies only. Discuss about history, technology, systems and canon.
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| March 13, 2014, 7:45 pm
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Quoting Christian Schlichting
Complex question. saying it's a global english would be political incorrect. Language can evolve big in 1000 years. Based on earth population it would be a mix of chinese, indian and english.
But in GGWU we'll have WWIII wich can change political and cultural influence a lot (Who won? Nobody but who lost more? Who came back first? Canada?) The next thing is a long time under tarsin control which would intoduce Tarsin language like english and spain invade colonial countries on Africa and South-America until today. Most african speak french or arabian languages e.g.. In the 31st century with all isolated colonies on other stars and their own cultural developments that would make a giant mixture not comparable to any language we know today. So, how they communicate between space sectors? Do they have a translator like in Star trek and everyone talks his own or are there official standartized Earth alliance/Maox and Coalition languages every child has to learn at school?


That's certainly true. In a post UNE world, what would become the lingua franca? Would it remain as English, the corporate and academic/scientific language of Earth as it is now? Or would people start learning Imperial Standard (Tarsin) in order to talk to their new government easier? After all, Imperial Standard is simplified as much as possible without losing tenses and singular/plural structures. You could probably be fluent in a year (contrast that to English, which I, a native speaker, am still learning after 20 years). We have plenty of historical precedence for using the language of conquerors long after they leave; Spanish in Latin America, all the colonial languages in Africa, and the longest living example, Hindi in India.

A third option besides English and the conqueror's language is something new entirely. Mass Effect has everyone speak in a galactic trading language; someone on Earth developed Esperanto to be a global language... I've always liked settings that avoid universal translator, like Babylon 5, it makes things more interesting.

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| March 13, 2014, 8:30 pm
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I disagree with the Tarsin theory, because you mentioned that the reason Tarsins don't immigrate to Sol Space, the New Faith remains a small minority religion in Earth territory, and Tarsins were discriminated against after the overthrow of Sol was that the common citizen of Earth viewed the Coalition and Tarsis as the enemy for a long time until they had been gone for a while. By the time the animosity had faded, it had been well over a century (maybe two?) I think. I believe that this concept would apply to language adoption as well, unless the Coalition semi-forcibly brought its culture into Earth space, the same way the Russians made the Poles speak Russian in Soviet portioned Poland in World War II, which is a possibility, but I like to think that the dominant language of Earth had already been cemented by the beginning of 23CU in order to avoid this same canonity dilemma (in an early form, at least partially intelligible with its 31st Century form).

Overall, I am in favor of a third-party language being developed like Esperanto that the UNE and later EA government officially made a part of human education, like Awe said. It would evolve over the centuries much like modern languages did (ie Old English to Middle English to Modern English), but still remain the domianant earth language in the thirty first century.

I imagine that a sizable minority WOULD speak Tarsin though, because during the Kingdom of Sol era, the educated would have to learn it in order to do business, trade, etc of any kind with the dominating Tarsin authorities, which would provide most of the economy of Earth for the first century or two after occupation began, given that Earth and its colonies have their infrastructure ruined from the intense battles waged on their surfaces.
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| March 13, 2014, 8:46 pm
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Note: Going out for the night pretty soon, probably won't be able to reply to any conversations afterwards.

UPDATE: to Christian and Giddeon, Awe and I have started working on the slow transition from wikifoundry to http://www.greatgalacticwar.wikia.com.
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| March 13, 2014, 8:48 pm
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Where is the EA's capital located, on Earth?

In UNE times, it was Geneva, so my first guess is that the EA also makes its capital in Geneva. But for some reason, I have a feeling the EA's capital is in New York... I don't know why. New York might even be under sea level by this point in the future, assuming we don't go into another cooling trend in the next few centuries.

It also makes me wonder where the King of Sol made his home. Knowing Tarsins, he'd either go for somewhere big in human history, like Jerusalem, or somewhere with a similar climate to the Tarsin highlands, like Trent or Salzburg. OR an entirely new place somewhere deep in the Altai mountains of Siberia.
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| March 18, 2014, 12:00 pm
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I always avoided that problem because i never knew where the capital in 23c was, so i used 'capital city' all the time.
All i'd like to have is a traditional city quarter where i can use the lego modular houses, that's a nice contrast to the sci-fi setting elsewere. So why not an expanded Geneva with some skyscrapers around?

I imagine the king of sol getting in love with some parts of earth history and architecture, so maybe he lived in a renaissance castle in france or europe, so, maybe Versailles?
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| March 18, 2014, 1:26 pm
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Quoting Christian Schlichting
I always avoided that problem because i never knew where the capital in 23c was, so i used 'capital city' all the time.
All i'd like to have is a traditional city quarter where i can use the lego modular houses, that's a nice contrast to the sci-fi setting elsewere. So why not an expanded Geneva with some skyscrapers around?

I imagine the king of sol getting in love with some parts of earth history and architecture, so maybe he lived in a renaissance castle in france or europe, so, maybe Versailles?


Expanded Geneva sounds good to me.

Something like Versailles could work, except that the summers would probably be too hot for highlander's liking (also, there's the matter of air pressure; when you've spent your life living at 2000 meters above sea level, a change to 100 meters is pretty rough). Thus my case for high altitude dwellings. Do you know of any castles or palaces that high up? All I can figure is that they'd be somewhere in the Alps or Central Asian mountains.
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| March 18, 2014, 2:23 pm
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That's perfect! Germany's most famous castle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuschwanstein_Castle

Neuschwanstein was residential of the bavarian king, is isolated in the alps, luxury inside and the way to Geneve isn't far with a coalition air transporter. It inspired Walt Disney to Cinderella but wasn't historical important while it represented an era of royal imperialism. In winter its covered with snow, i wasn't there in summer so i don't know how hot it could be.

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| March 18, 2014, 3:39 pm
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Quoting Christian Schlichting
That's perfect! Germany's most famous castle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuschwanstein_Castle



Looks perfect. The Wittelsbachs would be proud that their castle was used by the conquerors of planets half a millennium after it was built. Maybe. As for climate, I looked it up and it'd be acceptable to Tarsin sensitivities. 24C is a bit hot by their standards, but nothing they couldn't live through.

Another idea: The EA parliament/senate/whatever meets in a huge Tarsin cathedral built on the ashes of the ancient UNE headquarters in Geneva. Democracy flourishes in a monument supposedly built to celebrate its defeat. A cool setting, no doubt, but I fear it would be impossible to replicate in Lego. See for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanesque_architecture

It's a pretty thought, at least.
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| March 18, 2014, 5:39 pm
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I can see the King residing in Versailles, but, I like the idea of a major city from history being used. Jerusalem, Constantinople/Istanbul/Byzantium, Rome, Alexandria, Athens, New York (would it be considered old enough by then? It IS the financial capital of the world after all...), and Geneva itself come to mind off the top of my head. Although Versailles is also pretty dang important in its own right. Saint Petersburg has been kinda big on history too I think. Personally, I'd be fine with Jerusalem, Istanbul, Alexandria, Rome, or Versailles.

Also note that in this timeline Chicago would be almost a holy city to Earthmen as it's the site where World War III and the apocalypse began with a nuclear terror attack. That's an option too, also pretty significant to history.
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| March 19, 2014, 1:39 am
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
I can see the King residing in Versailles, but, I like the idea of a major city from history being used. Jerusalem, Constantinople/Istanbul/Byzantium, Rome, Alexandria, Athens, New York (would it be considered old enough by then? It IS the financial capital of the world after all...), and Geneva itself come to mind off the top of my head. Although Versailles is also pretty dang important in its own right. Saint Petersburg has been kinda big on history too I think. Personally, I'd be fine with Jerusalem, Istanbul, Alexandria, Rome, or Versailles.

Also note that in this timeline Chicago would be almost a holy city to Earthmen as it's the site where World War III and the apocalypse began with a nuclear terror attack. That's an option too, also pretty significant to history.


If global warming is canon in GGWU like it is in 23C, I fear half of those would be underwater by the 2400s... That feel when I have to say if because half of Americans don't buy into it.

Still, I think Christian's castle would work best as a place of residence. It would feel like home in multiple ways, and it's away from large settlements. The Tarsin nobility are generally a quiet people who like to be undisturbed.

Speaking of holy sites, though, a third idea:
The Pope denied that the Emperor of Tarsis was God's will made manifest (because the Pope is the Vicar of Christ), and was thus exiled beyond the Kingdom of Sol. Now the Roman Catholic Church has its own moon and tiny fleet. The Papal States... in space!

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| March 19, 2014, 12:21 pm
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Interstellar Vatican? Interesting idea.

About the solitude for highlanders thing, I don't think too many people will be living in a place that was nuked for a long time. It took decades for Hiroshima and Nagasaki to recover, and the fusion bombs used by the mid 21st century are no doubt exponentially more powerful.

I do suppose the whole castle thing fits a highlander Tarsin though. Fair point there.
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| March 20, 2014, 1:17 am
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Quoting Delta Kevin 22
Interstellar Vatican? Interesting idea.

About the solitude for highlanders thing, I don't think too many people will be living in a place that was nuked for a long time. It took decades for Hiroshima and Nagasaki to recover, and the fusion bombs used by the mid 21st century are no doubt exponentially more powerful.

I do suppose the whole castle thing fits a highlander Tarsin though. Fair point there.


With some applied terraforming gear, meant for dealing with Mars-tier planets (as it is today), a little bit of nuke fallout would be nothing they couldn't have cleaned up in a few decades. I imagine the Kingdom of Sol actually did a lot of fixing up on Earth. After all, it was a crown-world, and those are supposed to represent the high points of civilization.
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| March 20, 2014, 2:19 am
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Did someone post here? It says it's updated today, but I have no messages needing modding... I guess it went to Sean.
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| March 27, 2014, 1:02 am
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Huh. Weird...
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| March 27, 2014, 1:22 am
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